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Evilpopcorn
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05-17-2009, 04:56 PM
Post subject: 10NL : Good Turn Card To Double Barrel ?
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Straight
Join Date: Sep 2008
Posts: 232
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(VP$IP/PFR [Street Aggression] 3-bet%)
SB : 92/30 [2 2 6] 19 over 101 hands.
Is firing this this turn card vs this type of villian just spewy ?
Poker Stars $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
SB: $9.65
BB: $14.65
UTG: $10.20
MP: $22.85
CO: $18.50
Hero (BTN): $12.65
Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is BTN with T K
3 folds, Hero raises to $0.30, SB raises to $0.50, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.20
Flop: ($1.10) 3 7 5 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.60, SB calls $0.60
Turn: ($2.30) A (2 players)
SB checks, Hero?
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Frank Grimes
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Join Date: May 2009
Location: Canada
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he is probably going to call you down if he hit any part of that flop. I would just check the turn behind him and hope to catch a 10 or king.
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sil693
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Full House
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Location: Birmingham, UK
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how many times is a player this loose going to fold to a ~1/2 pot size bet on the flop after 3betting pre? agree that once he calls the flop he is never folding turn.
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Stacks
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Jan 2008
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It's a pretty good turn card to 2 barrel, and likely bet river also. However, not against this opponent.
Against this type of fish, just play for straight value. Expand your value betting range, so you can start value betting thinner. Hands that would have marginal value against other players become relatively strong against these players. Expand your calling range against these players as well. However, there is no reason to widen your bluffing range against villains that don't fold.
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surviva316
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this depends more heavily on postflop stats then preflop ones. of course 92/30 PF stats almost always means that they're calling over 50% of cbets, but there are the "ATC 'cause but fold if i don't hit TP or better" players who are pretty bluffable. either way though, i'm unlikely to double barrel EITHER of these players because the first type (the preflop AND postflop calling stations) should never ever be bluffed like Stacks was saying and the second type (the preflop station who only calls cbets with hands they like) like their hand so it's not profitable to bluff
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Originally Posted by BooG690
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settecba
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Nice raise pre. Just what everyone said, check behind FLOP, he is calling anyways. Now, if you had checked behind flop, and he checks turn to you, now you have a much better opportunity to take the pot with a delayed cbet repping that ace, and if he calls that bet you can still be ahead against this clown or even catch a K or T. Do you see why this line is better?
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Originally Posted by ISF
Getting good at poker is like that scene in the matrix where Neo suddenly sees that everyone is just a bunch of structured numbers and then he starts bending those numbers in really weird ways.
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surviva316
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Originally Posted by settecba
Nice raise pre. Just what everyone said, check behind FLOP, he is calling anyways. Now, if you had checked behind flop, and he checks turn to you, now you have a much better opportunity to take the pot with a delayed cbet repping that ace, and if he calls that bet you can still be ahead against this clown or even catch a K or T. Do you see why this line is better?
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delayed cbets in position against stations is boss
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Originally Posted by BooG690
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bigspenda73
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don't cbet jesus ppl cbet way too much and your size was bad to boot
just saw he min3bet, he's never c/f'ing when he checks, so just check behind.
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surviva316
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Originally Posted by bigspenda73
don't cbet jesus ppl cbet way too much and your size was bad to boot
just saw he min3bet, he's never c/f'ing when he checks, so just check behind.
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yeah, technically this wouldn't even be a cbet. even stations are usually willing to give up there hand if it goes unimproved by the turn though, especially with an ace on the board
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Originally Posted by BooG690
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bigspenda73
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when he c/c's the flop his range is Ax
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Evilpopcorn
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Straight
Join Date: Sep 2008
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Yip this is definitely a bet/FAIL for me 
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scotladd
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Join Date: Apr 2009
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Originally Posted by sil693
how many times is a player this loose going to fold to a ~1/2 pot size bet on the flop after 3betting pre? agree that once he calls the flop he is never folding turn.
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This.
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dtamburin
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Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: New York
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These kind of players are a waste of time to double barrel. This guy is never folding even with a pair of threes. I'd check away unless you had a moderate or better hand.
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