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Old 01-06-2009, 10:25 PM     Post subject: 10NL-Flopped set #1 (permalink)  
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villian was 40/5 over about 40 hands
Bet more on the flop in case he's on a flush draw?
Turn bet was weak... I know, I know
Did he hit the flush and decided to slowplay? Was the river bet a weak-bet trap? But he bet 0.25 into a 0.85 pot on the flop.
I almost used all my time thinking about this one before I ...

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SB ($7.60)
BB ($9.75)
Hero (UTG) ($16.15)
MP ($10.20)
Button ($4.95)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with J, J
Hero raises to $0.40, 3 folds, BB calls $0.30

Flop: ($0.85) 7, J, 4 (2 players)
BB bets $0.25, Hero raises to $0.80, BB calls $0.55

Turn: ($2.45) 5 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $1.30, BB calls $1.30

River: ($5.05) 2 (2 players)
BB bets $1, Hero ???
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Old 01-06-2009, 10:26 PM #2 (permalink)  
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Old 01-07-2009, 12:03 AM #3 (permalink)  
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Don't slowplay sets at $10NL.

40 hands aren't going to tell you much that's meaningful... but it's possible he's calling pretty wide as, well, he has money in the pot. And that "wide" is going to include a lot of Axs,Kxs,Qxs,suited-connectors/gappers/2-gappers. Sh!t you don't like by the Turn.

Your flop raise lets him come along for damn near pot odds w/out considering any implieds if he's on a flush draw (.55 into 1.90 or 3.5:1 ... and he only needs 4.1:1 to call for 1 more street). Make him pay... I'd prolly go around $1.50.

Then see what happens...

If he's still in on the Turn and checks to me, I may check it back for pot control as a bunch of his calling range hits.

If he then follows up with the pussy $1 bet, I'm calling all day.

As played, no way I'm folding the River, altho' I would in no way be surprised to see a flush at showdown.

I'm sure there are plenty of other players that would lead the turn, shove the river...
 
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 I'd start by raising the flop
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 What is YOUR analysis of the hand?

http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es-t80178.html

Two good starting points to help you out:

1. You say your turn bet-sizing sucks, but that you know it sucks....... why does it suck, and if you knew it sucks, why did you do it anyway? Is this something you do often?

2. Any consideration for Villain's range at all?
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What is YOUR analysis of the hand?

http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es-t80178.html

Two good starting points to help you out:

1. You say your turn bet-sizing sucks, but that you know it sucks....... why does it suck, and if you knew it sucks, why did you do it anyway? Is this something you do often?

2. Any consideration for Villain's range at all?
I'm not good at ranges but I'll give it a shot...

1. I didn't realize how bad it sucked until I looked at it afterwards. It sucks because it's too small and gives villian decent pot odds even if the spade wasn't there. It is not something I do often. Usually I'm pot or AI here.

2. Range:
PF- 22+, suited connectors, suited gappers, broadways, just about anything...

Flop-AXs, 22+, suited connectors (spades) or gappers(spades). suited broadway
I didn't realize he had such good pot odds until sar pointed it out.

Turn-any two spades, he bets flop (small) but checks here. I make a crap bet giving him 2:1 pot odds even if it wasn't a spade.

River-Axs, 22+, ???

Like I said, I suck at ranges.
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Old 01-07-2009, 04:57 PM #7 (permalink)  
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 In this thread you've identified two things that you suck at occasionally or more often than occasionally. The first is bet-sizing, and the second thing is dealing with ranges.

A quick search shows some other recent hands where you had bet-sizing issues, so this seems to be a reoccurring theme for you:

http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...ts-t79857.html
http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...aa-t79587.html
http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...et-t79713.html

If you want to get more out of this and stop sucking at bet-sizing for good, here is a starting place: What would be a better bet size on the flop? What pot odds would that give? What types of hands call your raise and why? What would you do against a reraise? What hands would you expect him to stack off with on the flop? How do you fair against this range? Then same things on the turn.

What's probably more important is the response I started to type about your attitude towards this stuff (which is probably not your fault, actually), but I decided to make a new thread for it here: http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...de-t80486.html
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