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ponyboy

12-13-2009, 10:33 PM Post subject: 10NL bottom trips no goot?

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Starting a new hand (#2009585476)
Texas Hold'em NL $0.05/$0.10 - 2009-12-13 22:47:14 Server
Table Transvaal Daisy (Beginner)
Seat 1: dachomej ( $9.80 )
Seat 2: SamodinAK47 ( $23.16 )
Seat 3: Goodcronostop ( $1.95 )
Seat 4: FedotilFish ( $15.89 )
Seat 5: 1oo4 ( $1.95 )
Seat 6: sad0 ( $3.50 )
Seat 7: TakoyakiMan ( $3.21 )
Seat 8: StackPA ( $2 )
Seat 9: Hero ( $2.60 )
StackPA posts Small Blind 0.05
Hero posts Big Blind 0.10
Dealing cards
Your cards 2h 2c [Hero]
dachomej folds
SamodinAK47 calls 0.10
Goodcronostop folds
FedotilFish calls 0.10
1oo4 folds
sad0 folds
TakoyakiMan folds
StackPA folds
Hero checks
Dealing Flop 2d Qd 8s
Hero checks
SamodinAK47 checks
FedotilFish checks
Dealing Turn 2d Qd 8s 3d
Hero bets 0.20
SamodinAK47 calls 0.20
FedotilFish raises 0.57
Hero calls 0.37
SamodinAK47 calls 0.37
Dealing River 2d Qd 8s 3d Th
Hero checks
SamodinAK47 checks
FedotilFish bets 0.30
Hero calls 0.30
SamodinAK47 raises 0.60
FedotilFish raises 2.08

I acknowledge that I played this a little too passively but when that 3rd diamond hit and then he raised the turn it made me pause. I can't help but think I should have folded then.

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surviva316

12-13-2009, 10:47 PM Post subject: Re: 10NL bottom trips no goot?

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Originally Posted by ponyboy

Dealing Flop 2d Qd 8s
Hero checks

misclick?

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12-13-2009, 10:49 PM

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i call on the turn with 20% (ish) chance to fill up and stack one of these people who are not aware enough to fold a flush on a paired board. i probably call the 30c bet on river, as you did, just because the bet sizing in terrible so your set doesnt have to be the best hand as often for it to be profitable. however i'm folding to the c/r.
also..
you really have to be betting this flop with your set at 2NL because people call way too much here. you have a strong hand, you want to build the pot so that by the river you can have your stack in the middle vs an overplayed top pair, or whatever. there is no need to check for deception at these stakes because the play is too straightforward.

ponyboy

12-13-2009, 10:57 PM Post subject: Re: 10NL bottom trips no goot?

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Originally Posted by ponyboy

Dealing Flop 2d Qd 8s
Hero checks

misclick?

My thinking was in 1st position of I bet it might result in fold/fold - I was looking for a check/call or if they bet enough, a check/push.

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12-13-2009, 11:37 PM Post subject: Re: 10NL bottom trips no goot?

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Originally Posted by ponyboy

Dealing Flop 2d Qd 8s
Hero checks

misclick?

My thinking was in 1st position of I bet it might result in fold/fold - I was looking for a check/call or if they bet enough, a check/push.

If you bet and they both fold so be it, you need to start building a pot and allowing a free card is dangerous.

Also with your stack size I think you have to play it fast to try and get it in by the river.

surviva316

12-13-2009, 11:44 PM

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ASSUMING THAT YOU HAVE NO READS THAT ANYONE LEFT TO ACT IS GOING TO BET A HUGE PERCENTAGE OF THE TIME

if i read your response correctly it sounds like the reason you checked is because you're OOP? you should actually be MORE likely to bet because A) it's gonna be harder to extract value on later streets and B) it's gonna be harder to play your hand if any draws complete.

also, because it's a limped pot, you're like NEVER winning a big pot by checking this flop unless you have reason to believe someone's going to bet a large %age of the time (and you can c/r)

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12-14-2009, 12:39 AM

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^^ Agree. Never check sets on drawy boards..

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12-14-2009, 02:22 AM

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What do you want when you have a monster? A big pot. The only way to make a big pot is stick some money in it.

Stop being the guy good players all want to play against.

I always find it hilarious when I pot control a good showdown hand and call a small river bet only to see my opponent had some ridiculous nut hand. I always think, "thanks for saving me some dough buddy"

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12-14-2009, 05:49 AM

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Bet the flop. Nuff said, With the flop bet, you GAIN vital information. This allows you to put opponents on a variety of ranges depending on how they react to YOUR bet. You want to build a pot in this sich for sure.

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12-14-2009, 06:19 AM

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I only have 2 simple rules when I am coaching a new student.

Rule # 1: don't ask questions

Rule # 2: don't ask questions

I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.

littleogre

12-14-2009, 11:21 AM

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Ok first and foremost you do not have trips you have a set. It tilts the hell out of me when people get the 2 mixed up. I'm all for slow playing sets on the right board but this is not the right board imho.

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12-14-2009, 07:33 PM

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Really, really, really. Slowplay is a second-level poker strategy. You need to have actual READS that the guys behind you are going to fold if you are going to bet. Seriously, upwards of 75 percent of the time, somebody's going to call if you bet your set in a multi-way pot, and you will be well on your way to building a pot.

But more importantly, you should never be slowplaying when the board is wet. There's a flush draw and a straight draw (albeit a gutshot) out there. Plus, you have the lowest set possible and are giving anyone who has a better pocket pair another opportunity to hit their 2 outer.

The point of slowplaying is to give opponents the opportunity to improve to a playable SECOND-BEST hand (or be convinced that you are weak) so that you can then collect bets from them. It isn't to give opponents the opportunity to improve to a hand that beats you.

You MUST bet to protect your hand here. You may have a monster, but it's a vulnerable monster.

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12-14-2009, 08:15 PM

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bet flop. Almost any turn card is a scare card for you.

don't raise with the straight flush bro, nobody ever gonna call that shit
allin, reload, repeat

please read: http://www.philgalfond.com/lets-make-some-changes/

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12-15-2009, 05:49 AM

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My guess is if you realized you had a set as opposed to trips you'd bet flop. Just try to read the board better.

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12-15-2009, 08:06 AM

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Buy in full. If you can't buy in full, move down to where you can. Playing short at 10nl isn't going to help you learn.

Bet the flop. It's drawy, it's multiway and you can't rely on other people to build pots for you but they still love to call. Bet bet bet.

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12-15-2009, 03:14 PM

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12-15-2009, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by spoonitnow

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This too. To carry my analysis a step further, since slowplay works best when your opponents can improve to a lot of second-best hands that will allow you to collect additional bets on later streets, if you follow spoon's (and Zelda's) advice and put your opponents on a range, you can then analyze if that range contains a lot of hands with outs to improve to a bettable second-best hands, and not a lot of hands that either beat you or have decent odds to improve and beat you.

So you need the two reads to slowplay-- (1) that your opponents aren't actually going to pay you off if you get money into the pot now, and (2) that your opponents' range includes lots of hands that can improve and be more bettable on later streets without improving to beat you.

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