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mieczkowusc
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11-11-2008, 05:09 AM
Post subject: 10NL AKs out of position
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Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (9 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
CO ($5.45)
Button ($12.10)
SB ($4.85)
BB ($12.05)
Hero (UTG) ($10.75)
UTG+1 ($0.85)
MP1 ($9.85)
MP2 ($1.75)
MP3 ($1.90)
Preflop: Hero is UTG with K , A
Hero calls $0.10, UTG+1 calls $0.10, MP1 raises to $0.60, 6 folds, Hero calls $0.50, 1 fold
Flop: ($1.45) K , 9 , Q (2 players)
Hero checks, MP1 bets $1, Hero raises to $3, MP1 calls $2
Turn: ($7.45) 8 (2 players)
Hero bets $7.15 (All-In), MP1 calls $6.25 (All-In)
River: ($19.95) 8 (2 players, 2 all-in)
Should I have played this differently?
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Well to get things started, why did yo limp/call preflop with AKs?
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mieczkowusc
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You beat me to it, I was just about to edit my post.
I limped from UTG because I had just raised or reraised the past three hands (took down two with a cbet, had jacks over a dry flop on the other board and didn't have any biters). I figured people would be calling pretty loose and I didn't want to see a multi-way pot from way OOP.
Thinking about it, I probably should have re-raised if I was going to limp.
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this hand should be reversed. you should be the one raising pf, then cbetting the flop and coming over the top if he raises
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pf is awful. what range do you put him on when he calls your c/r?
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mieczkowusc
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Originally Posted by will641
pf is awful. what range do you put him on when he calls your c/r?
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Now that I think about it, I should have realized that when he called the check raise that I am probably way behind . 99+, K9+ and maybe A7s+ with a flush draw.
Ugh, the more I look at this hand, the dumber I feel.
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Originally Posted by mieczkowusc
I I didn't want to see a multi-way pot from way OOP.
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yea it'll never be a multi-way pot if you limp in!
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killerkebab
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Originally Posted by mieczkowusc
I limped from UTG because I had just raised or reraised the past three hands (took down two with a cbet, had jacks over a dry flop on the other board and didn't have any biters). I figured people would be calling pretty loose and I didn't want to see a multi-way pot from way OOP.
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But this is precisely what you want! You want people to start re-raising you now that you are raising with a premium hand. The table thinks you're FOS raising 3 hands in a row and when you raise the fourth time no one gives you credit for AKs - they won't call, they'll reraise and you can have some fun 
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mrhappy333
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wow, Pre flop is a disaster. UTG you should be raising this. when the MP raised it, you shoulda taken the opportunity to reraise it here.
Then certainly you should have C-bet this. This is a very coordinated board.
Did you ask yourself, hmmmm what is MP1 raising PF,here?
and then when he called your check raise?
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a500lbgorilla
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Alright, I'll say it: preflop is not a disaster, it's just not standard, or likely optimal. AKs plays pretty well in a multiway pot and limp raising way over represents your hand. I don't hate preflop. I like the flop and turn as played.
Assuming a preflop misclick limp, I like it.
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Smithers, use the amnesia ray.
You mean the revolver, sir?
Precisely.
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sarbox68
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AKs plays nice multi-way, but not so nice when you're left playing it for TPTK...
Unless stumpage is doing this with KJ, AQ or like an Ax club draw, I don't see much that calls your c/r and then calls your shove that you beat unimproved. I do see vil w/ AA,AK,JT,KQ,QQ,99 maybe with some flush draw thrown in there too. (I love playing JT for exactly these kind of flops...)
But... this is $10NL after all. But... you do only have TPTK. But... I am a nit..... 
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Originally Posted by sarbox68
AKs plays nice multi-way, but not so nice when you're left playing it for TPTK...
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Shall we agree to disagree?
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Smithers, use the amnesia ray.
You mean the revolver, sir?
Precisely.
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mrhappy333
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Originally Posted by sarbox68
AKs plays nice multi-way, but not so nice when you're left playing it for TPTK...
Unless stumpage is doing this with KJ, AQ or like an Ax club draw, I don't see much that calls your c/r and then calls your shove that you beat unimproved. I do see vil w/ AA,AK,JT,KQ,QQ,99 maybe with some flush draw thrown in there too. (I love playing JT for exactly these kind of flops...)
But... this is $10NL after all. But... you do only have TPTK. But... I am a nit..... |
My thoughts also
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mieczkowusc
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Originally Posted by sarbox68
AKs plays nice multi-way, but not so nice when you're left playing it for TPTK...
Unless stumpage is doing this with KJ, AQ or like an Ax club draw, I don't see much that calls your c/r and then calls your shove that you beat unimproved. I do see vil w/ AA,AK,JT,KQ,QQ,99 maybe with some flush draw thrown in there too. (I love playing JT for exactly these kind of flops...)
But... this is $10NL after all. But... you do only have TPTK. But... I am a nit..... |
The thing that gets me is that the villain had been raising with junk and calling people down with second best pair for most of the last half hour. So when he called the check-raise, the light didn't go off in my head.
Preflop was stupid. I was tired and thats no excuse, but lesson learned.
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Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla
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Originally Posted by sarbox68
AKs plays nice multi-way, but not so nice when you're left playing it for TPTK...
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Shall we agree to disagree? |
No... 'cause you're prolly right....
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mrhappy333
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I hate playing AK OOP
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3 3 3 I'm only half evil.
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also, I was making the minor over site of this being full ring. I think this would be an awesome line post flop if the 9 or the Q were blanks.
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Smithers, use the amnesia ray.
You mean the revolver, sir?
Precisely.
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a500lbgorilla
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Originally Posted by mieczkowusc
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Originally Posted by sarbox68
AKs plays nice multi-way, but not so nice when you're left playing it for TPTK...
Unless stumpage is doing this with KJ, AQ or like an Ax club draw, I don't see much that calls your c/r and then calls your shove that you beat unimproved. I do see vil w/ AA,AK,JT,KQ,QQ,99 maybe with some flush draw thrown in there too. (I love playing JT for exactly these kind of flops...)
But... this is $10NL after all. But... you do only have TPTK. But... I am a nit..... |
The thing that gets me is that the villain had been raising with junk and calling people down with second best pair for most of the last half hour. So when he called the check-raise, the light didn't go off in my head.
Preflop was stupid. I was tired and thats no excuse, but lesson learned. |
Hey! Where were these reads in the original post?!
And what lesson did you learn, if it was "don't open limp AKs" you've picked up a mantra but you haven't really taken anything away from this thread.
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Smithers, use the amnesia ray.
You mean the revolver, sir?
Precisely.
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mrhappy333
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Originally Posted by mieczkowusc
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Originally Posted by sarbox68
AKs plays nice multi-way, but not so nice when you're left playing it for TPTK...
Unless stumpage is doing this with KJ, AQ or like an Ax club draw, I don't see much that calls your c/r and then calls your shove that you beat unimproved. I do see vil w/ AA,AK,JT,KQ,QQ,99 maybe with some flush draw thrown in there too. (I love playing JT for exactly these kind of flops...)
But... this is $10NL after all. But... you do only have TPTK. But... I am a nit..... |
The thing that gets me is that the villain had been raising with junk and calling people down with second best pair for most of the last half hour. So when he called the check-raise, the light didn't go off in my head.
Preflop was stupid. I was tired and thats no excuse, but lesson learned. |
This should help you also to not play when you are tired. Its when you make mistakes and you lose your monies!!
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a500lbgorilla
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can we still play drunk or tilted?
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Smithers, use the amnesia ray.
You mean the revolver, sir?
Precisely.
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sarbox68
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Originally Posted by mieczkowusc
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Originally Posted by sarbox68
AKs plays nice multi-way, but not so nice when you're left playing it for TPTK...
Unless stumpage is doing this with KJ, AQ or like an Ax club draw, I don't see much that calls your c/r and then calls your shove that you beat unimproved. I do see vil w/ AA,AK,JT,KQ,QQ,99 maybe with some flush draw thrown in there too. (I love playing JT for exactly these kind of flops...)
But... this is $10NL after all. But... you do only have TPTK. But... I am a nit..... |
The thing that gets me is that the villain had been raising with junk and calling people down with second best pair for most of the last half hour. So when he called the check-raise, the light didn't go off in my head.
Preflop was stupid. I was tired and thats no excuse, but lesson learned. |
.... and this is why reads are hepful....
If vil is consistently showing down with crap and spewing w/ 2nd pair or less, then you can put more weight on him doing this with just a flush draw or a worst top pair / second pair hand....
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can we still play drunk or tilted?
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Being sober makes me tilted, so what other options are there? 
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AKo is the nuts, AKs is like putting a slutty Halloween costume on the prom queen.
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Originally Posted by kettleofish
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Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla
can we still play drunk or tilted?
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Being sober makes me tilted, so what other options are there? |
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Smithers, use the amnesia ray.
You mean the revolver, sir?
Precisely.
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mieczkowusc
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Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla
And what lesson did you learn, if it was "don't open limp AKs" you've picked up a mantra but you haven't really taken anything away from this thread.
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I learned that playing when you are tired can cloud your judgement and reasoning. I don't really have a specific mantra really. I tend to try and vary my style depending on the table.
What I also learned is that I need to focus more on the what happens post-flop and to see what the opponent is signaling with their hand, a skill that i haven't yet developed that well. This has been a good hand for realizing for realizing how badly I need to improve.
It is frustrating grinding away in the micros, overcharging people for everything and still having them draw out on you (not referencing this hand obviously). I know it will come around in the long run; it just makes you want to rip your hair out.
Anyways, thanks for all the responses! I really appreciate the feedback.
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