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Old 06-22-2009, 09:08 PM     Post subject: 10NL AA on paired board, AK action PF #1 (permalink)  
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These are two big hands from today I had a little trouble with.

Hand #1
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (5 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

UTG ($5.85)
Hero (MP) ($11.05)
Button ($6.70)
SB ($20.15)
BB ($25.60)

Preflop: Hero is MP with A, A
UTG bets $0.20, Hero raises to $0.50, 1 fold, SB calls $0.45, 1 fold, UTG calls $0.30

Flop: ($1.60) 7, 5, 7 (3 players)
SB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets $1.50, SB calls $1.50, 1 fold

Turn: ($4.60) 9 (2 players)
SB bets $0.50, Hero raises to $3, SB raises to $5.50, Hero [???]

Villian was 56/23 and playing back at me a bit. On the turn I thought the underbet smelled like a raise inducer but wasn't going to just call or fold. I might have been better raising slightly more, but I don't know if it mattered. I guess this is trying to get him to fold or 3bet, but it's really hard to throw down aces with all the PP's he could be holding if he does 3bet. So does that mean I should have 3bet harder preflop (had that feeling just after I clicked.) I feel like that may be killing too much action. Small raises like that throw me off a bit when I'm holding big hands for this reason. I'm feeling like with this line I may have to fold and hate it. I just noticed taht me holding the A here only makes his range stronger.

Hand #2:
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Hero (BB) ($13.80)
UTG ($13.05)
Button ($17.95)
SB ($25.35)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A, K
UTG bets $0.40, Button calls $0.40, 1 fold, Hero raises to $1.20, UTG raises to $3, Button calls $2.60, Hero [???]

I don't remember reads on these opponents, but neither of them were rocks or maniacs. I'm thinking this is an easy easy shove with this much money in the pot already and 2 opponents. I guess I'm getting still getting 4:1 equity against just {AA,KK} and 4:1 implied if they both call and 3:1 with just one call and their range is still wider than that at this point, not to mention fold equity (which is probably small at this point.) This is pretty high variance but I think I'm getting at least even money. I guess this is easy but I wanted to check: is my logic sound here?

Wow, I forgot how much posting hands helps and I haven't even had outside input yet.
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Old 06-22-2009, 09:17 PM #2 (permalink)  
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 in hand 1 if you raise more pre, then you're playing for stacks by the turn, and you thank UTG for being retarded enough to min-bet/call in order to make your hand play easily.
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Old 06-22-2009, 11:03 PM #3 (permalink)  
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First hand
rasie more pre.
On the turn, maybe villian is playing back at or hit the nine or a draw.
Either way shove we are ahead of his wide range.

Second hand.
Fold pre. If the opponents were not maniacs than the worst that I expect UTG to 4bet here is AK/QQ. Plus BTN flatting with hands like
22-JJ means we are behind both ranges
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Old 06-23-2009, 12:15 AM #4 (permalink)  
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So...

Hand 1:
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in hand 1 if you raise more pre, then you're playing for stacks by the turn, and you thank UTG for being retarded enough to min-bet/call in order to make your hand play easily.
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First hand
rasie more pre.
On the turn, maybe villian is playing back at or hit the nine or a draw.
Either way shove we are ahead of his wide range.
Ok, right. I guess I was trying to be too tricky during this session. I think mediocre(-to-poor) 3betting and getting fancy-play-tilt are still two of my biggest leaks.


Hand 2:
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Second hand.
Fold pre. If the opponents were not maniacs than the worst that I expect UTG to 4bet here is AK/QQ. Plus BTN flatting with hands like
22-JJ means we are behind both ranges
I had a feeling I was neglecting something. I should think more about ranges before trying to use pokerstove to justify actions.


Hmm, I need to start studying again.
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