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Evilpopcorn
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05-16-2009, 10:38 AM
Post subject: 10NL : AA facing flop min c/r in 3-bet pot
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Join Date: Sep 2008
Posts: 232
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Less than 20 hands on villian so no reads.
Ok so ignoring the fact that i should have 4-bet pre (yeah tricksy tricksy retard i am lol) can i ever fold this oin flop ? If we calling flop bet then we have to call a turn shove that is less than PSB.
Poker Stars $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players
UTG: $10.30
CO: $14.65
Hero (BTN): $10.00
SB: $9.35
BB: $7.30
Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is BTN with A A
2 folds, Hero raises to $0.30, SB raises to $0.90, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.60
Flop: ($1.90) 6 K 3 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $1.20, SB raises to $2.70, Hero?
EDIT : Also how do i get my signature to show the actuialy image instead of the link ?
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flatting is fine
shoving the flop is fine too, he won't fold a king
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JKDS
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Full House
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Chandler, AZ
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Edit: Villain can easily be doing this with AA and KK, and will have played it the same if he had AK and 3bet so let us assume villain's range is AA, KK, AK, then becuase we have 2 aces and there is a king on the board, he can have exactly
1 combo of AA
3 combos of KK
6 combos of AK
we have a lil edge vs AA due to the backdoor flush draw, and crush AK about the same as we are killed by KK. pokerstoving shows that we are indeed like a 63% favorite. If we discount AK to being only 3 combos (sometimes he flats AK as opposed to 3betting), then
equity = 91% * 3/7 (AK) + 12% *3/7 (KK) + 52% *1/7 (AA) = 51%
So shoving is fine even if we discount AK to account for those times that he doesnt 3bet it. i almost prefer a flat though because i feel his range might also include QQ. If this were the case, the other 3 hands are stacking or getting stacked regardless, but QQ might fire again on the turn whereas theyd fold to a bet from us (aside from assuming the flop raise was a cbet). I think it may be a bit unlikely though, maybe like 15% of the time, and it changes our equity enough so that i like calling a lil better.
edit again: i beleive you just put [img] and [/img] before and after the link
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Originally Posted by OngBonga
But no, jkds is lolvillager and anyone who wants to string him up is sighbad.
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kmind
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Straight Flush
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Don't see how he can have QQ here after c/r the flop. Just shove.
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JKDS
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Full House
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didnt see it was a c/r. QQ might do some batshit things like raise a flop bet when they had initiative..but they prefer to lead than c/r. i agree then, shoving flop seems like the best option.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
But no, jkds is lolvillager and anyone who wants to string him up is sighbad.
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sarbox68
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Full House
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Location: wondering where the 3 extra chairs at my 6max table came from
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Shove... and don't get pissed off when he shows up w/ KK. 
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Hoopy
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Full House
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Shove it in, doubt he would ever fold AK and you beat everything in his range but KK.
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surviva316
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05-16-2009, 10:49 PM
Post subject: Re: 10NL : AA facing flop min c/r in 3-bet pot
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#8 (permalink)
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Feb 2009
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by Evilpopcorn
can i ever fold this oin flop ? If we calling flop bet then we have to call a turn shove that is less than PSB.
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no. it's not a coin flip.
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bigspenda73
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Straight Flush
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Pwnsylvania
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fold to the minraise, villain obv has KK
the fact that we have the As and two of the Aces in the deck is also reason enough to fold
k I'm leveling a little bit, but I wouldn't shove
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by bigspenda73
fold to the minraise, villain obv has KK
the fact that we have the As and two of the Aces in the deck is also reason enough to fold
k I'm leveling a little bit, but I wouldn't shove
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he could easily have a retarded hand like KJ (??) or QsTs
look at his retarded 3b sizing
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bigspenda73
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Straight Flush
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Location: Pwnsylvania
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his 3bet sizing is 1bb off from being perfect imo
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