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ogmios
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09-11-2010, 06:28 AM
Post subject: 10NL 6max, right line?
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High Card
Join Date: Sep 2010
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First post here, looking for a bit of help with this hand. Was 10NL 6max 40-100bb table at PS.
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (6 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from
Hero (BB) ($8.33)
UTG ($16.86)
MP ($6.92)
CO ($23.66)
Button ($10)
SB ($12.91)
Preflop: Hero is BB with Kh, 10c
4 folds, SB bets $0.30, Hero calls $0.20
Flop: ($0.60) Ks, 7c, 4d (2 players)
SB bets $0.40, Hero raises to $0.80, SB calls $0.40
Turn: ($2.20) 9s (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $1.50, SB calls $1.50
River: ($5.20) 6d (2 players)
SB bets $10.31 (All-In), Hero calls $5.73 (All-In)
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iLike
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Two Pair
Join Date: Aug 2010
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I only play NL2, so please keep in mind that I have probably no clue what I'm talking about.
I would just fold KTo if SB isn't super aggressive, but that might be just me. Calling in position is fine too.
Flop: Raise more. A general rule is to raise 3x the amount of his bet, so you should have raised to $1.20
Turn: I like a check more in order to keep the pot small, because all we have right now is top pair with a not that great kicker. He could easily have a set, AK, KQ, KJ, K9 and if he is loose even K7. If you decide to bet, I would bet larger, maybe 1.70 or 1.80.
River: As played I think this is a fold wihout reads.
We need 34% equity and there aren't that many hands we can beat. Actually we only beat K8, K5, K3, K2, QQ, JJ, TT, 88, 55, 33, 22 and a busted flushdraw or straightdraw. A flushdraw is unlikely because of the action on the flop and he only picks up the flushdraw on the turn. A straighdraw (like 56) wouldn't bet the flop. K2-K8 wouldn't raise preflop. And 22-TT would either fold flop or turn. What is left: QQ and JJ.
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rpm
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: learnin'
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hi there. until you have enough posts to use the hand converter, just post the hand history in raw format and someone will convert it and post it up for you (that way we get the pictures of the cards and it's easier to read). as for the hand, i really dislike your raise on the flop. i would prefer flatting his cbet in order to keep his range of hands wide (so that our hand is doing better versus our opponents range of hands) and not raise out the hands in his range that we beat. i prefer checking the turn behind after raising the flop because i think our opponents calling range has too many hands beat us (KJ+,99,AA) than hands we beat (TT,JJ,QQ). as for the river decision, i'll let you do some work there, go to the beginner's digest in this forum and open the thread "how to: analyze calling an all-in" which will guide you through the process of deciding whether or not you can profitably call an all-in bet.
i also probably fold preflop without any reads on my opponent leading me to do otherwise.
oh yeah, and welcome to FTR!
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ogmios
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High Card
Join Date: Sep 2010
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Everyone kept stealing blinds, which is what I was trying to prevent. I gather that I need to pick more profitable spots to defend the blinds - or is it not worth trying at this level?
Either way, thanks for the replies. Further reinforces in my head that I need to work more on putting people on ranges. I'm working on it, but I still got quite a ways to go. FWIW, his hand wasn't included in pretty much any range I was thinking of.
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philly and the phanatics
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Full House
Join Date: Dec 2006
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i flat/3bet depending on the opponent but im never folding KT vs sb here unless hes an uber nit with like 10 or under steal percent.
some reads or stats on opponent would be nice
also cant believe nobody has said it yet, BUT BUY IN FULL why are you playing with 8.33 in your stack? wtf...
but readless you certainly do not want to raise KT here on the flop, by doing that you get him to fold everything you beat (7x, 88-QQ, any broadways hes going to barrell turn with) and theres like 0 K's that you beat other than maybe K9....against a wide range you are doing pretty well on this flop but against a K9+ 77 44 range you are obvioulsy doing shit. I guess you could probably throw in some random gutshots and lower pps and shit if this guy is a huge idiot, but you didnt post stats so we dont know
river is snap fold imo
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dahve3d
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Two Pair
Join Date: Jul 2010
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pre is totally fine vs most poeple its BvB and we're IP. and yeah like everybody said without reads on opponent raising flop here there's basically no hands you beat that are calling a flop raise, so you're turning KT into a bluff here, and that's bad because it's a hand with significant showdown value. vs. a standard TAG here I would flat flop, probably check behind turn to keep pot small and call a river bet or bet if checked to looking for 2 streets of value from mid PP type hands as long as the board isn't super scary... you don't want to play this hand for stacks or get c/red, especially without reads. if you have reads that he's an idiot who's aggressive with anything then you could think about raising flop, in which case raise bigger more like 1.2 and then get it in on most turns and rivers.
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ogmios
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High Card
Join Date: Sep 2010
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Quote:
Originally Posted by philly and the phanatics
also cant believe nobody has said it yet, BUT BUY IN FULL why are you playing with 8.33 in your stack? wtf...
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Full buy in at the table is $10, which is what I started with. Only recently found out there's tables that let you buy in more than $5 at a time, ugh...
As far as stats go, I don't have any as I don't yet have any tracker program. Only real read is that he's stolen my blinds the last few orbits.
At showdown he had me beat with an 6-10 straight, he had an 8-10. Don't understand his play at all, but he got what he needed on the river. I guess I need to look more at my play and less at the results. Yet another thing to work on ;p Thanks again for the advice.
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dahve3d
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Two Pair
Join Date: Jul 2010
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PokerTracker 3 has a 60 day free trial, and Holdem Manager has a 15 day free trial as well as promotional options you can do by signing up with specific sites poker that will allow you to get it free... having one of these programs and learning how to use it is the single most important thing you'll need to improve as a poker player.
Also when Philly says buy in full what he means is to keep your stack topped up at all times - most sites have an option you can set that will auto reload your stack if it falls below a certain amount. It's a good idea to never drop below 100 big blinds (or whatever amount you choose to initially buy in for, 100bb is standard) that way you can always get maximum value when you pick up a hand.
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Imthenewfish
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Full House
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: sites im allowed to play on
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Pokerstars-
Main menu-options-autorebuy-check the box on the right for no limit, use the drop down bar to rebuy if you fall under ur initial amount, check add chips to your initial amount
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Pelion
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4-of-a-Kind
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I would fold it preflop until you are more comfortable figuring out where you are postflop (although its definitly one of the first spots you are going to want to start opening up once you are). This is the kind of hand you can make BIG mistakes with occasionally, and since the pots you are winning in between arent going to be huge you need to be able to play it right or not at all.
re: this hand. Ask yourself what worse hands than KT he can be doing this with for value (i.e. hoping you will call). Now ask yourself how likely it is he is doing this with nothing at all. Last of all, work out your pot-odds, and think about how often you need him to be doing one of the above two things in order for a call to be at least breakeven.
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gabe: Ive dropped almost 100k in the past 35 days.
bigspenda73: But how much did you win?
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rpm
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Jul 2009
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Pelion
I would fold it preflop until you are more comfortable figuring out where you are postflop (although its definitly one of the first spots you are going to want to start opening up once you are). This is the kind of hand you can make BIG mistakes with occasionally, and since the pots you are winning in between arent going to be huge you need to be able to play it right or not at all.
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i agree. i don't think it's a good idea to tell someone relatively new to ranges and (seemingly) holdem in general, to start defending BB's with KTo, especially when we see how this hand was played postflop.
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oskar
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4-of-a-Kind
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The answer is IT DEPENDS on every street. This is impossible to answer. Please read the stickies in this forum.
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The strengh of a hero is defined by the weakness of his villains.
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nickatina-69
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Two Pair
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: ottawa
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what about 3betting pre, to resteal?
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kmind
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Straight Flush
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Not Giving In
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Quote:
Originally Posted by nickatina-69
what about 3betting pre, to resteal?
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I mean it's probably +EV but calling may be better. Fold too maybe. It depends. I'd probably just flat and play postflop with the intentions of bluffing some boards or getting to showdown if I have a pair or something.
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