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Old 09-07-2010, 09:45 PM     Post subject: 10nl 6max - I am very confused #1 (permalink)  
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 Villain is unknown just sat down bought in full.

Not sure what his donk lead means, but I suppose he could have almost any pair/gutter. I decide to peel flop because I didn't think raising would accomplish much besides getting it in behind too often and calling gives him rope.

Turn bet is fine I think? (Would you guys play it the same?) Because I feel like vs some random I could get value from worse jacks for 2 more streets and he might c/c something retarded leaving him with more hands besides Jx to bluff catch the river with.

I'm going to assume this line should be given a ton of respect at this limit despite the fact he doesn't rep anything besides 33,77,JJ (73s maybe? J7s maybe?)

The fact that he leads 3 way is somewhat scary, especially given his sizing. I've noticed at this level that regs ONLY donk this big with something huge although I am unsure of whether he is a regular or just a goofball. Comments appreciated.


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Hero (MP) ($12.09)
Button ($9.95)
SB ($9.20)
BB ($12.19)
UTG ($10.30)

Preflop: Hero is MP with K, J
UTG calls $0.10, Hero bets $0.40, 1 fold, SB calls $0.35, 1 fold, UTG calls $0.30

Flop: ($1.30) 7, 3, J (3 players)
SB bets $0.70, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.70

Turn: ($2.70) 3 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $1.50, SB raises to $5....




edit: his sizing actually isn't that large but it's big enough to get stacks in by the river. usually when donks lead out they bet like 1/3p or 1/4p, something gay you know.
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Old 09-07-2010, 11:41 PM #2 (permalink)  
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 Ok so I have some thoughts on this hand. Generally I don't give donk leads on flops very much credit at all and if I had less showdown value than in this hand I would def raise.

I've been watching some really good videos lately and what they say is that if you're playing an unknown at these stakes the best assumption you can make about his game is that he is passive. So when he c/r our turn bet, esp with that sizing, I'm going to give him credit for a big hand most of the time. His value range for raising the turn has us crushed and I just don't see him bluffing that much on this board, esp when we call his flop bet and bet the turn ourselves. But you prob already knew that already ne ways.

That said, I really like your turn bet because his hand looks pretty weak at that point and there is a tonnn of shit that can call our bet. I would prob make it larger like 2.30ish.

One point against folding here, like you said, is that it seems like there are soo few combos he can have that are raising for value: theres only 1 combo of JJ because we have a J in our hand and theres only 1 combo of 33 left after the turn card and theres 3 combos of 77. I know you're used to playing higher stakes than this, but something that I see somewhat often is people flatting QQ PF which you probably don't see too much.

So yea just to summarize all that rambling, I think there's a very very low chance he's bluffing here and I think he can also have QQ in addition to all the hands you mentioned. So I would fold.
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Old 09-08-2010, 12:38 AM #3 (permalink)  
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 i like flop and turn play. C/C flop and C/R turn, assuming "decent" betsizing is usually a monster in my experience at 10nl, though i find it so hard to give him credit because his nut range is so thin, as has been mentioned. there are also definitely some players who have QQ firmly in their range here, some even KK+ as well. ("slowplayin' me aces! get more value!")
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 fine and fold it seems

betting turn is fine since his line looks a lot like soem weird Jx or like 88-TT...but after he raises i cant really see anything but sets+ from villain.
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 When an unknown at 10NL takes a funky bizzare line vs you following a multiway flop, it's gonna be much more in your favour to assume it's for value before you assume it's a bluff even when he reps not a whole lot. If he takes such a funky line in the first place there's a good chance he reps more than you think because he's jus a tard trying to get tricky like Helmuth does and "trap" you on the turn or some whack shit like this.

Really ez fold imo.

 
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