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sweetlemon69
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03-02-2009, 01:23 AM
Post subject: 10NL - 3bet light limper isolator
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Flush
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Toronto
Posts: 296
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22/22 ats 33. raises limpers from the blinds 25% of the time... A5o a pretty shyte hand to 3bet here I guess, but what's your flop action like?
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (6 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
SB ($6.80)
Hero (BB) ($13.20)
UTG ($3.20)
MP ($8.75)
CO ($9.90)
Button ($11.95)
Preflop: Hero is BB with 5 , A
UTG calls $0.10, 1 fold, CO calls $0.10, Button calls $0.10, SB bets $0.70, Hero raises to $2.10, 3 folds, SB calls $1.40
Flop: ($4.50) 3 , A, 8 (2 players)
SB checks, ...
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texa8
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Straight
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Melbourne Australia
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i cbet 2/3 pot and hope to take it down there. do u have idea about your fold equity? have u seen this player lay down hands after those raises?
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IhaveTopTop
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Straight
Join Date: Mar 2008
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Since the light isolator only has about the pot left, I'd go ahead the pot/what he has left.
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sweetlemon69
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Flush
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Toronto
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K, gotten a lot of feed back from high stakes, highly knowledgeable people and a check behind here on the flop is best. We're only getting called by better if we psb and not getting value from worse. This, or bet enough to give the impression of FE to our opponent and induce a bluff, thus widening his range and we can call.
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d0zer
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Moderator
Join Date: Jul 2007
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by IhaveTopTop
Since the light isolator only has about the pot left, I'd go ahead the pot/what he has left.
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You need to be thinking deeper about hands imo.
This is very much a WA/WB situation. Think about the SB's range here. He either has a better ace that he's never folding, or he has missed broadways or a pocket pair. If we put SB in he's generally only calling with better. Sometimes you'll get a call from TT-KK here sure, but you increase the likelihood of a hand like that putting more money in the pot by either checking the flop & trying to get value on later streets, or weak betting to induce a shove if he's aggro enough to make a play like that.
We're really not overly concerned with giving cheap/free cards here. There's no draws, villain is either drawing essentially dead (missed broadways) or to a 2-outer (PP).
Another thing to note is that the SPR is so low that we don't have to worry about building the pot to get the monies in the middle.
Put that all together and I get:
check > 1/4 pot >>>>> pot
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LawDude
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Full House
Join Date: Feb 2009
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by d0zer
Quote:
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Originally Posted by IhaveTopTop
Since the light isolator only has about the pot left, I'd go ahead the pot/what he has left.
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You need to be thinking deeper about hands imo.
This is very much a WA/WB situation. Think about the SB's range here. He either has a better ace that he's never folding, or he has missed broadways or a pocket pair. If we put SB in he's generally only calling with better. Sometimes you'll get a call from TT-KK here sure, but you increase the likelihood of a hand like that putting more money in the pot by either checking the flop & trying to get value on later streets, or weak betting to induce a shove if he's aggro enough to make a play like that.
We're really not overly concerned with giving cheap/free cards here. There's no draws, villain is either drawing essentially dead (missed broadways) or to a 2-outer (PP).
Another thing to note is that the SPR is so low that we don't have to worry about building the pot to get the monies in the middle.
Put that all together and I get:
check > 1/4 pot >>>>> pot |
I like this response because it gets to the point I made in the post about slow play. People assume that they should slowplay when they have a big hand in absolute terms. But that's not the concept at all. You can have an ace-high flush and yet if you are facing one or more sets, those players have draws that can kill you if they come in, so you need to price them correctly.
In contrast, if it turns out that Villain has a high pocket pair, this is a great example of a hand that can be slowplayed even though all Hero has is a pair of aces, based on the analysis above. You have a Villain who is highly unlikely to draw out on you, is likely to fold to aggression, and may be induced to bet by passivity. The criteria for slowplay are all met.
More generally, while I don't recommend waiting around with ace-rag hoping to knock out someone's pocket pair as an ongoing strategy (especially in no limit), when this does happen it creates a tremendous opportunity for profit. And since it happens fairly often it's the type of scenario that good players should be aware of so that you have a strategy thought out with respect to such hands.
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ArcadianRock
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Flush
Join Date: Feb 2009
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It's true, no worries about a flush draw yet so don't have to worry about that. Very unlikely he has a straight draw as he would need a 2 or 5 which he wouldn't raise unless there was an A with it.
He might have an A in which case you are behind most likely with your 5, I would check it and see what he does on the turn, the next card most likely will not change the situation as stated before he only probably has 0-4 outs.
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d0zer
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by ArcadianRock
It's true, no worries about a flush draw yet so don't have to worry about that. Very unlikely he has a straight draw as he would need a 2 or 5 which he wouldn't raise unless there was an A with it.
He might have an A in which case you are behind most likely with your 5, I would check it and see what he does on the turn, the next card most likely will not change the situation as stated before he only probably has 0-4 outs.
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4 outs?
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54s has 4 outs
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