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Kbryce23
Old 09-27-2009, 09:15 AM     Post subject: 10nl 2 pair on very wet board #1 (permalink)  
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Villian is 22/6 over 200 hands cbet 100%. I checked the river because I didnt think he was calling with many hands that I beat. Is river a b/f. As played its a fold correct? I dont think he ever bets any one pair hands, I guess he could be bluffing with some Tx hand but I dont think there are many in his range.

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SB ($2)
Hero (BB) ($12.53)
UTG ($5.28)
UTG+1 ($4.60)
MP1 ($3.93)
MP2 ($9.60)
CO ($9.85)
Button ($9.85)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 8, 7
3 folds, MP2 bets $0.30, 3 folds, Hero calls $0.20

Flop: ($0.65) 7, 8, 9 (2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets $0.40, Hero raises $1.20, MP2 calls $0.80

Turn: ($3.05) 5 (2 players)
Hero bets $1.30, MP2 calls $1.30

River: ($5.65) K (2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets $3.60, Hero folds

Total pot: $5.65
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Old 09-27-2009, 03:35 PM #2 (permalink)  
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I don't think a fold was correct. I've seen a lot of people play over pairs just like this (especially J's or 10's). I would have bet 1/2 pot on river and fold to a raise.
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Old 09-27-2009, 04:38 PM #3 (permalink)  
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 explain your reasoning for your play on every street, including preflop
don't raise with the straight flush bro, nobody ever gonna call that shit
allin, reload, repeat

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Old 09-27-2009, 05:09 PM #4 (permalink)  
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explain your reasoning for your play on every street, including preflop
Preflop: He only raises 6% so I think I stack him alot when I hit a big hand.

Flop: He cbets alot so I c/r pretty much hoping to play for stacks vs an overpair.

Turn: When he just calls the flop I put him on FD and overpairs and maybe 66 or AT. I bet to get value from an overpair with a FD. I was planning on bet-folding turn. I think I should have bet more like $2.

River: I check the river because he is a nit and I dont like playing big pots vs nits, which is probably a bad way of thinking. I hated my river check after the hand because I get value from overpairs. Once he bets I just dont think he bluffs alot and doesnt go for such thin value with TT-QQ and maybe bets AA for value.
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Old 09-27-2009, 05:47 PM #5 (permalink)  
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oh the flush hit never mind
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Old 09-27-2009, 09:28 PM #6 (permalink)  
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I don't think a fold was correct. I've seen a lot of people play over pairs just like this (especially J's or 10's). I would have bet 1/2 pot on river and fold to a raise.
I second this line
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Old 09-27-2009, 10:25 PM #7 (permalink)  
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I would check turn and try to show my hand down
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Old 09-28-2009, 06:29 AM #8 (permalink)  
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 Nice analysis, people don't do this often enough - myself included.
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explain your reasoning for your play on every street, including preflop
Preflop: He only raises 6% so I think I stack him alot when I hit a big hand.
You're going to have to try and play a big pot from out of position when you hit for this call to be worthwhile. Would you have called this from the button? I think that calling this from the button is better than from the blinds.
The turn and river illustrate the problems inherent in playing out of position.

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Flop: He cbets alot so I c/r pretty much hoping to play for stacks vs an overpair.
he c-bets a lot because he has a pfr of 6%, his raising range from MP is tight. He also checks behind a lot. I prefer a donk, and a bigger check-raise if that is the line you choose.


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Turn: When he just calls the flop I put him on FD and overpairs and maybe 66 or AT. I bet to get value from an overpair with a FD. I was planning on bet-folding turn. I think I should have bet more like $2.
Um, that's an interesting range. What flush draws? Is a pfr 6% type really having AT here much? at least limit it to ATs. Include sets in his range too, cos there is every likelihood this type of villain is dumb enough to flat the flop raise with a set. Include TT. If you are betting to get value from an overpair+FD then you should be betting bigger, as you have said. Iopq suggested checking this turn, and that is also an option you should be considering. In order of preference for me bet-fold $2.10, check-fold, check-call a small bet.

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River: I check the river because he is a nit and I dont like playing big pots vs nits, which is probably a bad way of thinking. I hated my river check after the hand because I get value from overpairs. Once he bets I just dont think he bluffs alot and doesnt go for such thin value with TT-QQ and maybe bets AA for value.
I prefer blocking $2, bet-fold obviously.
don't raise with the straight flush bro, nobody ever gonna call that shit
allin, reload, repeat

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Old 09-28-2009, 08:27 AM #9 (permalink)  
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I think c/f and c/c a small bet are not two different options, but actually the same option, if he bets big we c/f and if he bets small we c/c
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