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Outlaw
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03-16-2009, 01:44 AM
Post subject: 10k checkup
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Full House
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Notes: I used Sauce's guide mostly.. but didn't 3-bet too much since its micros and ranges are like 72+lol. I was very nitty, selectively aggro, and played simple ABC poker. I did run very bad with AA, actually hitting -$6 at one point. Hopefully that corrects in the next 10k 
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Carroters
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Win rate is awesome, although I'll just briefly mention that 10K is obv a small sample before 28 people come and go: "WTF come back when you have 200,000,000 hands FFS!"
I think you could losen up a little and open more hand preflop particularly from the CO and button. The att to steal should be over 30% usually for 6 max. Although I've never played 2NL so maybe nit is best there always so correct me if I'm wrong.
I think you can c bet a little more aswell and pwn the fit or fold nut camping weak/tights more. Your Agg factor is too low, so c-betting more in the right spots should bring this up. So I'd look to play more hands with the initiative and play them aggro until you meet resistance on favourable textures.
One other thing: You can probably bring your agg% up by isolating lighter in position vs weak limp/folders or limp/callers that fold to c bets more. C bet close to 100% in these spots, provided you've picked your victim well.
Btw you're W$AS is fucking sick. So either you're on a massive heater or you're just totally owning these donks or both!
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Outlaw
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Originally Posted by Carroters
Win rate is awesome, although I'll just briefly mention that 10K is obv a small sample before 28 people come and go: "WTF come back when you have 200,000,000 hands FFS!"
I think you could losen up a little and open more hand preflop particularly from the CO and button. The att to steal should be over 30% usually for 6 max. Although I've never played 2NL so maybe nit is best there always so correct me if I'm wrong.
I think you can c bet a little more aswell and pwn the fit or fold nut camping weak/tights more. Your Agg factor is too low, so c-betting more in the right spots should bring this up. So I'd look to play more hands with the initiative and play them aggro until you meet resistance on favourable textures.
One other thing: You can probably bring your agg% up by isolating lighter in position vs weak limp/folders or limp/callers that fold to c bets more. C bet close to 100% in these spots, provided you've picked your victim well.
Btw you're W$AS is fucking sick. So either you're on a massive heater or you're just totally owning these donks or both!
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Thanks for the input.
I realize 10k is very small.. but I only get to play an hour a day, so 10k hands is a couple of weeks. I am mainly posting this for minor tweaks.
I agree that my AGG is a sore spot.. my style is trappy and I think this is the reason.. I play pot control with most hands and only build a huge pot when I think I am a big favorite. This might be a mistake at the higher levels but I think its just right at micros.
My cbet % used to be 80%+.. which I think is way too high.. now I am much more selective on cbetting and its helped my winrate.
I do think I should steal more. I have just been sticking to the button/CO range Sauce outlined and have not opened up those ranges yet. I don't think its necessary at micros anyways.
My W$AS is pretty much typical for me.. I think one of my biggest strengths is postflop play and hand-reading... my game really centers around isolating donks and getting value to showdown. I make a plan preflop based on my cards and the opponents range then decide how I will proceed BEFORE the flop hits. I think improved planning is where I've made my biggest strides lately. Postflop play gets a lot easier when there are no surprises.
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Micro2Macro
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Look closer for spots to isolate ep limers, especially the ones that play any suited trash to a raise. You're not isolating enough if your PFR is only 9.5 (this is 6-max right?)
Also, how often do you 2-barrell? I've noticed alot of players at 2nl call almost any flop but shut down on the turn, perhaps you're shutting down too early which would be a source of your low AF.
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Can't argue with success.
It's probably totally fine, but once you move up to 10NL/ 25NL you'll get eaten alive by the blinds. You could raise pretty much every hand you play there, and call / limp behind a couple more profitably.
Steal is probably fine... depends on opponents. If you can't steal, then don't obv.
Look for spots where someone is raising too much or stealing too much, and 3-bet lighter - especially if you close the action (BB, no limpers/callers) or you're on the button. But still, try doing it more for value. Like if someone raises 20% of his hands, then AQs is ahead of his range, and if you got position it becomes an easy 3-bet. It has the added bonus that even some nits might call your 3-bets lighter because now you have like 5%+ 3-bet, nevermind that you would never 3-bet them that light.
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pocketfours
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Originally Posted by Outlaw
I agree that my AGG is a sore spot.. my style is trappy and I think this is the reason.. I play pot control with most hands and only build a huge pot when I think I am a big favorite. This might be a mistake at the higher levels but I think its just right at micros.
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Just concentrate on beating the level you currently play. If you are doing this well, then don't change anything. Thinking about leaks is not something you need to do when running this good.
I'm not saying you shouldn't be improving your game, but I don't see any reason to look at this kind of stats in order to find leaks.
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Outlaw
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Originally Posted by Micro2Macro
Look closer for spots to isolate ep limers, especially the ones that play any suited trash to a raise. You're not isolating enough if your PFR is only 9.5 (this is 6-max right?)
Also, how often do you 2-barrell? I've noticed alot of players at 2nl call almost any flop but shut down on the turn, perhaps you're shutting down too early which would be a source of your low AF.
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I isolate i position with my button range.. my button range is just really tight right now... I think I don't isolate enough from UTG+1 and the cutoff.
I only two-barrel when the turn might be a scare card or it improves my hand.. which apparently isn't often enough lol
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Originally Posted by pocketfours
Just concentrate on beating the level you currently play. If you are doing this well, then don't change anything. Thinking about leaks is not something you need to do when running this good.
I'm not saying you shouldn't be improving your game, but I don't see any reason to look at this kind of stats in order to find leaks.
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I am leaning towards that as well.. I just was wondering if there was anything glaring in my stats.
Thanks for the advice guys!
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ArcadianRock
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Like everyone else said, if it's working for you, don't change it. Everyone has leaks but if they're small ones they'll grow bigger as you move up so when you move up and it does make a difference you can plug them.
10k is a small sample size but I think it's the smallest you can have and still make comments on. I think that's the most perfect looking graph you can have though, very low variance.
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AFchung
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your win rate is sick. i love it
i think you should loosen up CO/button. add a few different hands in your range at a time so you go from a 20/16 button to a 22/18 to a 24/18 etc. widen your range slowly and comfortably. on a side note, your button is tighter than my CO at FR :P
i think a good att to steal is in the 30-40s. 20 is letting a lot of free money go away
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dev
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This looks really good, as long as you turn up the positional agro (preflop and post flop) as you move up in limits you're golden.
One thing tho.
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Originally Posted by Outlaw
I did run very bad with AA, actually hitting -$6 at one point. Hopefully that corrects in the next 10k
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This is flawed logic. Statistics don't even out, they average out. Over the next 10k you can expect to be about 1/2 as off the mark as you are now, over the next 100k, well you get the point.
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Outlaw
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Originally Posted by dev
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Originally Posted by Outlaw
I did run very bad with AA, actually hitting -$6 at one point. Hopefully that corrects in the next 10k
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This is flawed logic. Statistics don't even out, they average out. Over the next 10k you can expect to be about 1/2 as off the mark as you are now, over the next 100k, well you get the point. |
I know man, but I am forever the optimist
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