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08-14-2006, 02:12 PM
Post subject: 10 tabling strategy: defensive or aggro?
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Well, this is not a question regarding the way you play certain hands or whatnot, it's more of a question regarding table buy-in strategy.
My goal being 3000$ by the end of the month (more like the 26th when I leave this hell-hole of a country behind) so i can move to 100NL, I've finally gotten my laptop + extra monitor set up so I can now 10 table 50NL on party.
The question that popped into my head was:
Should my strategy be that after I double up, or triple up on one table should I leave and buy-in to another one so as not to risk losing the 2 buy-ins i gained on a bad-beat/bad call? Or should I just ride it out since I DO own the fish there and i should try to maximize my profits?
Basically it's a choice of safer but maybe lower profits vs risking a bit of my profits and taking advantage of my edge against crappy players in order to gain more money.
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08-14-2006, 03:49 PM
Post subject: Re: 10 tabling strategy: defensive or aggro?
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I think it just depends on how tolerant you are towards variance. I usually stay unless I have a 3 buy in+ stack and there is a good player with as much money at the table. If I have position on him I often stay anyway. If you think you may go on tilt if you lose too much money in one hand it would probably be better to leave though.
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Don't undersestimate the power of the big stack - people simply don't want to get into confrontations with you and you can control the table much more effectively.
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I would never leave a table just because I doubled or tripled up. There maybe a psychological advantage, as biondino mentioned, but the big reason is that you have the opportunity to win >100BB in a single hand. If you think you're one of the better players at the table you should want to play with the deepest stacks possible.
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Don't undersestimate the power of the big stack - people simply don't want to get into confrontations with you and you can control the table much more effectively.
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Does that really apply for cash games?
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Don't undersestimate the power of the big stack - people simply don't want to get into confrontations with you and you can control the table much more effectively.
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Does that really apply for cash games? |
it shouldn't
to OP....ummmm why don't you just do what you prefer?
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Don't undersestimate the power of the big stack - people simply don't want to get into confrontations with you and you can control the table much more effectively.
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Does that really apply for cash games? |
It doesn't.
Huge stack doesn't represent good skill. Big stack may be either a nit with hot streak of cards that got paid off by some unaware donkey, loose passive or donk maniac after suckout or yeah, it may be a real shark who figured out the entire table and plays his max exploit telepathic zen-like A-game. But true intimidation and fear comes from getting constantly pwned, slapped around and being outplayed, not 2-outered in 300BB pot.
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well, martin, because i'm not really sure WHAT i prefer.
As far as 10 tabling goes, it'll wait a while, as i'm sticking to 8 tabling ATM. Not having two monitors the same size and being new to 2 monitor playing means i'm not very comfortable yet. Had a small (albeit tiring) session yesterday in which i made the grand sum of 20$...but as long as it's in the black, it's g00t.
As far as this topic goes, i'll just stay. I'd hate to play scared and i KNOW i have the skill edge, so no point leaving when i win.
Biondino...even if the concept applied to ring games, who the hell do you think plays 10 tables and worries about dominating one table as the big stack? 
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I agree that it *shouldn't* matter but it does. Some people respect/fear you, and occasionally see you as a target, if you have a 200BB+ stack. It's both conscious and subconscious, but it's real, I've seen it time and time again. If a regular stack decides to play back at you when you are big-stacked then they have decided they're willing to get it all-in, so you have to be prepared for that and adjust your expectations accordingly.
Oh, and people using table selection will be careful to avoid sitting on your right.
And yeah, one table out of 10 with a big stack, it's hardly going to matter. But I'd have thought you'd rather be a big stack on ALL your tables, right 
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If I could sit down at every 1NL table with $1,000,000, I would. Unless, I thought I was a below than average player at the table.... hahaha yeah right.
The big stack at the table always have more options than anyone else at the table. First of all, you can play against the 2nd biggest stack in full... more potential there. Secondly, back to the options, you have more of a selection of plays pre-flop and post-flop. Whereas short stacks have fewer moves available to them.
Other than leaving a table because you think you are below than average there, I can't think of one single reason to leave once you've doubled up.
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The big stack at the table always have more options than anyone else at the table.
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yes big stacks have more options but they aren't intimidating in cash games
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never get up
play deepstack poker with other deep stacks and win your biggest pots ever.
I usually have a 4-5 buyin stack at one of my tables whenever I have been 10 tabling for 4-5 hours, whether I am running particularly good that session or not, and more often than not I am able to make plays against other big stacks that I ordinarily wouldn't have been able to make.
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and more often than not I am able to make plays against other big stacks that I ordinarily wouldn't have been able to make.
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Hey Renton
I'm really curious about deepstack plays because I'm currently trying to develop anti-nit strategy. Could you post some HH's with thought process, please?
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and more often than not I am able to make plays against other big stacks that I ordinarily wouldn't have been able to make.
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Hey Renton
I'm really curious about deepstack plays because I'm currently trying to develop anti-nit strategy. Could you post some HH's with thought process, please? |
i don't know how to filter deepstack hands, but I will keep a look out in the future when i play
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deadgoat
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Try 4 monitors
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deadgoat
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by the way just hit my 19th royal flush last week
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deadgoat
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For what is worth play defensive. It works for me.
The goal to NL 10 tables is simple set set set
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you 16 table 10nl?
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16 tables - 50NL
Actually last night I had a tourney also so used another screen and new record of 17 tables.
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16 tables - 50NL
Actually last night I had a tourney also so used another screen and new record of 17 tables.
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I dont believe y
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Hey deadgoat, how's your ptbb/100?
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its low at 5/100 but very consistant.
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deadgoat
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Again I'm a bonus whore first could be a better poker player, but right now I make more playing defensive and clearning bonuses.
Of what I make 60% is bonus and 40% table play. If I want to play poker I move to 6Max and only play a couple of tables.
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deadgoat
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Hey brew how much do you average a month playing?
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deadgoat
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This gets back to defensive vs Aggressive?
Both work you just need to find the one your comfortable with.
My type of play allows for alot of tables and hence alot of hands.
Hence perfect for bonuses.
Now if the bonuses dry up I'll move into 6max where playing poker is most profitable.
Good luck which route works for you.
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