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T-Rex
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04-17-2009, 02:52 AM
Post subject: 1 Hand Review
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Straight
Join Date: Mar 2009
Posts: 119
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sorry no read on opponent although sure i had some.
i normally just bet again on the turn but i felt anycard but the 7 would be okay for my hand but it comes and i still call lol.....this is a really easy fold am i correct? i just wanna make sure so next time i can fold a full house.
how should i have played this
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (5 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
BB ($12.65)
UTG ($28.15)
MP ($4.75)
Hero (Button) ($36.40)
SB ($47.50)
Preflop: Hero is Button with 4 , 4
UTG bets $0.75, MP calls $0.75, Hero calls $0.75, 1 fold, BB calls $0.50
Flop: ($3.10) 5 , 7, 4 (4 players)
BB checks, UTG bets $2, 1 fold, Hero raises to $5.75, 1 fold, UTG calls $3.75
Turn: ($14.60) 5 (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks
River: ($14.60) 7 (2 players)
UTG bets $9, Hero ?
Total pot: $32.60 | Rake: $1.55
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Dash
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Two Pair
Join Date: Mar 2009
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I dunno after a check from villain like that on the turn, and a big push on the river, smells like he was trying to c/r trap on the turn in the 1st place with something decent. Without a good read it's probably academic.
2/3 PSB on the turn and fold to a double barrel.
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OneEyeLefty
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Straight
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: In the batter's box. Already 0-1 count....
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You should have easily won this hand on the flop or turn. However, you have to get away from it on the river. Would be nice to know what kind of range you put him on raising 3X's the BB. You have position and check the turn? I believe this to be the biggest mistake of the hand. I hate the call on the river but the check to me is worse yet.
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Careful what you wish for.....you just may get it!
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surviva316
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Feb 2009
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i did something similar when running aces hit the board to spoil my full house (folded the river though). anyway the difference was FIRST, i was OOP, so i actually planned on c/r'ing the ace SECOND, my opponent couldn't have been on a FD quite like yours might be.
trip fives call a bet on the turn and a FD is too. not only does the five or seven spoil your action but a non-spade likely ruins much chance of him calling.
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I'd give him odds to call on the turn
so if he has some kind of draw I hope he calls a 1/3 pot bet
river is possibly a fold
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Ragnar4
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Full House
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Billings, Montana
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Hero pots the turn to make his river decision easy.
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The older I get, the more I start wondering; Just what in the hell is going on here? 
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surviva316
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4-of-a-Kind
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Originally Posted by iopq
I'd give him odds to call on the turn
so if he has some kind of draw I hope he calls a 1/3 pot bet
river is possibly a fold
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PSB is usually "right odds to call" for people at these limits. I say give them an opportunity to make the wrong play (and if they are a thinking opponent, then at least it merges your ranges more neatly)
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ArcadianRock
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Flush
Join Date: Feb 2009
Posts: 295
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This is a tough call, but I don't see him doing this with over pairs. This looks pretty fold worthy plus you're not in it for all that much in the first place.
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tyrn
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Straight
Join Date: Nov 2008
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Yes this is foldable. On the bright side, if he had a 5 and you bet the turn, you would have had a harder decision on the river.
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Ragnar4
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Full House
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Location: Billings, Montana
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That's a big negative there tyrn Hero bets pot on the turn and he has $15 behind in a $45 pot. Snapcall any bet there.
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The older I get, the more I start wondering; Just what in the hell is going on here?
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tyrn
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Straight
Join Date: Nov 2008
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lol yah, ez call, I didn't pay attention to stack sizes. I guess what I should say is not a harder decision, but a more costly hand.
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XTR1000
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: May 2006
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def bet turn. Im not sure river is such an easy fold given that hes UTG
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bigspenda73
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Straight Flush
Join Date: Jul 2006
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river is an easy call
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bigspenda73
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Straight Flush
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Pwnsylvania
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not as easy as betting the turn, but easy call fo sho
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Lucothefish
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Full House
Join Date: Mar 2009
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He likes his hand enough to call your flop raise, your only thoughts here should be getting it in the middle. Pot sized bet on the turn and then you're pot commited, so the river is an easy call.
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<@d0zer> how will you learn if I don't berate you harshly?
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Blazing_Saddler
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3-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Dec 2008
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My thoughts from the minute I flopped a set there would have been how do I get all my money in by the river. Checking the turn isn't one of those ways.
Without any reads it makes it difficult. Some players at $25 NL definitely stack off with an over pair here. The tighter his utg range is, the more inclined I would be to call. There aren't many hands a standard tag has with a 7 or 5 in from utg.
In his range are over pairs and the busted flush draw. I think it is a call on the river. Bet the turn, it is one of the biggest leaks players at the lower stakes have, not betting the turn.
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sil693
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Full House
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Birmingham, UK
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raise flop more
bet turn
call river
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T-Rex
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Straight
Join Date: Mar 2009
Posts: 119
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i felt it soo tuff that he had A-7 and guess what this UTG raiser ha A-7 lol its all good thanks alot for the info guys!
whats said below very nice way to say it exactly!
lol yah, ez call, I didn't pay attention to stack sizes. I guess what I should say is not a harder decision, but a more costly hand.
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Robb
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A7 is NOT a big part of the UTG open-raise range, nor is any 7x or 5x hand. It's a snap call on the river as played, imo, and I would have bet the turn about $9.
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Originally Posted by Robb
A7 is NOT a big part of the UTG open-raise range, nor is any 7x or 5x hand. It's a snap call on the river as played, imo, and I would have bet the turn about $9.
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I've had a guy open T8s UTG and call a 3b. He was a "TAG" as well. You can't rely on people to play reasonably. Hey, I probably call anyway, I'm just saying. For example, if he overbet shoves the river you can't say "hah! 7x is not in his range, I call!"
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Robb
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4-of-a-Kind
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Originally Posted by Robb
A7 is NOT a big part of the UTG open-raise range, nor is any 7x or 5x hand. It's a snap call on the river as played, imo, and I would have bet the turn about $9.
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I've had a guy open T8s UTG and call a 3b. He was a "TAG" as well. You can't rely on people to play reasonably. Hey, I probably call anyway, I'm just saying. For example, if he overbet shoves the river you can't say "hah! 7x is not in his range, I call!" |
Agreed, but we do put people on ranges, so I wouldn't beat myself up too much if he shows down a weird hand in this spot for what amounts to a small river bet.
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bigspenda73
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Straight Flush
Join Date: Jul 2006
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Originally Posted by Robb
A7 is NOT a big part of the UTG open-raise range, nor is any 7x or 5x hand. It's a snap call on the river as played, imo, and I would have bet the turn about $9.
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I've had a guy open T8s UTG and call a 3b. He was a "TAG" as well. You can't rely on people to play reasonably. Hey, I probably call anyway, I'm just saying. For example, if he overbet shoves the river you can't say "hah! 7x is not in his range, I call!" |
opening T8s UTG is much better than A7o, I'm a TAGG and 56s is in my UTG range.
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mcatdog
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: St. Louis
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Originally Posted by bigspenda73
opening T8s UTG is much better than A7o, I'm a TAGG and 56s is in my UTG range.
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Such a crazy LAG you are. 56s can't even flop a set! 
Anyway this seems like the easiest call ever, I'd rather raise than fold.
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Originally Posted by bigspenda73
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Originally Posted by iopq
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Originally Posted by Robb
A7 is NOT a big part of the UTG open-raise range, nor is any 7x or 5x hand. It's a snap call on the river as played, imo, and I would have bet the turn about $9.
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I've had a guy open T8s UTG and call a 3b. He was a "TAG" as well. You can't rely on people to play reasonably. Hey, I probably call anyway, I'm just saying. For example, if he overbet shoves the river you can't say "hah! 7x is not in his range, I call!" |
opening T8s UTG is much better than A7o, I'm a TAGG and 56s is in my UTG range. |
but A7s vs. T8s is debatable and IMO close
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