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Old 09-19-2010, 09:22 PM     Post subject: €25 spew hands #1 (permalink)  
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Hand 1 - Villain recently lost big pot against my boat, so he probably isn't in mood of hero-calling for big money again. But there's fish in hand, how did I do with Kings?

3bettor is tight pre and has 2.5% 3bet stats in large sample, fish is something like 40/3 or something with superwide range.

Boss Media (IPN) No-Limit Hold'em, €0.25 BB (10 handed) - BossMedia Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

saw flop

Hero (UTG+2) (€48.12)
SB (€25)
MP1 (€13.72)
MP2 (€4.50)
MP3 (€15.19)
CO (€32.91)
Button (€5)
BB (€11.54)
UTG (€25.50)
UTG+1 (€22.27)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+2 with K, K
1 fold, UTG+1 calls €0.25, Hero bets €1.25, 3 folds, CO raises to €3, 3 folds, UTG+1 calls €3, Hero raises to €48.12 (All-In), CO calls €29.91 (All-In), 1 fold

Flop: (€69.19) 5, 3, Q (2 players, 2 all-in)

Turn: (€69.19) J (2 players, 2 all-in)

River: (€69.19) 4 (2 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: €69.19 | Rake: €3

Hand 2:

I have problems with playing good draws OOP.
Villain is loose, active, fishy, but fastplays big hands too. Often floats, despite of his super loose play he managed to put me in a lot of tough spots in the past, was suckout master and won about 2 buyins off me (I was tilting). What's the "standard" way of playing non-nut draws in this spot?
I feel I butchered this hand.

Boss Media (IPN) No-Limit Hold'em, €0.25 BB (10 handed) - BossMedia Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

saw flop

Hero (BB) (€25.33)
UTG+2 (€36.36)
SB (€21.76)
UTG (€25)
MP2 (€11.73)
MP3 (€47.46)
CO (€54.37)
Button (€4.63)
UTG+1 (€24.88)
MP1 (€24.31)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 6, K
5 folds, MP3 calls €0.25, 3 folds, Hero checks

Flop: (€0.62) 10, J, 7 (2 players)
Hero bets €0.75, MP3 calls €0.75

Turn: (€2.12) A (2 players)
Hero checks, MP3 bets €1.59, Hero calls €1.59

River: (€5.30) A (2 players)
Hero checks, MP3 bets €5.30, Hero calls €5.30

Total pot: €15.90 | Rake: €0.75
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Old 09-20-2010, 03:09 AM #2 (permalink)  
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1) since when do we 4b jam 100 deep
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Old 09-20-2010, 01:54 PM #3 (permalink)  
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 H1 - Ugh, why push the fish out of the pot and 4bet a nit?
H2 - Equity increases, bet the goddamn turn!
 
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Old 09-20-2010, 04:42 PM #4 (permalink)  
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 Hand 1 - What StarGrinder and Imthenewfish said. I think you just spazzed out because you were scared that you didn't know what to do. So instead of thinking it through a bit you just said OMG ARR-IN.

Hand 2 - We gain outs on the turn that's also a potential scare card, so that suggests betting the turn. If we check and he checks and we hit our draw, our implied odds are terrible, which also suggests betting the turn. His turn range consists mostly of draws we're ahead of and one-pair type hands that will often fold, which again suggests that betting the turn is going to be better than checking.
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 Anyone not like the flop bet?
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 Flop bet is beyond fine. Unless we have a read he's stabbing at all flops when checked to etc then I prefer lead to c/r any day.

 
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 Still not sure how to play limped pots as well, and over betting pot makes sense cause you want to build the pot in case you hit....right?
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Old 09-20-2010, 08:33 PM #8 (permalink)  
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Still not sure how to play limped pots as well, and over betting pot makes sense cause you want to build the pot in case you hit....right?
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Old 09-20-2010, 08:49 PM #9 (permalink)  
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Anyone not like the flop bet?
Flop: (€0.62) 10, J, 7 (2 players)
Hero bets €0.75, MP3 calls €0.75

It s a Euro site , If you click pot size bet , it auto rounds-up . I guess its something to do with Rake.
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Old 09-22-2010, 10:12 PM #10 (permalink)  
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Thanks all for advices

About hand 2 - Bet pot button sets up amount that was before rake deduction.
Spoony, after leading twice, do you bluff missed draw?


In 1st hand, It was really spazz shove, but I think, superfish in hand complicates it a bit. Without fish in hand, I can 4bet smallish/(fold to 5bet shove AA obv), and after seeing him flatting, get it in on any board (by check/shove) maybe except Axx and QJx
With fish in hand willing to play for stacks with any crap, small 4bet commits me because donator improves pot odds, and 4bet overbet shove folds out QQ/AK of nit, but gets a call from whatever fish holds. So I still don't know, I just hate having KK against ubertight 3bet range.

But I definitely should think about that before making decision, not post mortem
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Old 09-23-2010, 01:01 PM #11 (permalink)  
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flop bet seems ok to me since we've loads of equity vs his limping range, as well as his calling range, plus plenty of FE when we bet the turn.
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