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nonofyobiz

07-09-2010, 07:04 PM Post subject: {5NL} Did I get a lil too excited with JJ here?

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MP1 i have 43 hands with; he's running 30/14. CU is total call station. and BTN no reads.

I was thinking most of the time they are hitting flush draws so I just wanted them to pay out the a$$ to hit them.

correct play or spewtard?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (9 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

saw flop

MP3 ($5.23)
CO ($6.56)
Button ($4.93)
Hero (SB) ($5)
BB ($5.50)
UTG ($5)
UTG+1 ($6.21)
MP1 ($5.55)
MP2 ($6.65)

Preflop: Hero is SB with J

, J

2 folds, MP1 calls $0.05, 2 folds, CO calls $0.05, Button calls $0.05, Hero bets $0.25, 1 fold, MP1 calls $0.20, CO calls $0.20, Button calls $0.20

Flop: ($1.05) 2

, 9

, 4

(4 players)
Hero bets $1, MP1 calls $1, 2 folds

Turn: ($3.05) 6

(2 players)
Hero bets $3.75 (All-In), MP1 calls $3.75

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07-09-2010, 07:23 PM

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Raise more pre, potting flop/shoving turn is probably okay though. Give villains a flop/turn calling range and see how well you are doing versus it...also give them a range for betting the turn when checked to.

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07-09-2010, 07:57 PM

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I don't like the Turn shove, since you will probably only get called by a hand that has you beat. If you had a diamond, it would be more reasonable. You have to remember that villians love to call preflop with suited cards. With that many callers, villian could have the flush on the flop. They also have sets and possible slow-played overpairs. Yea, there are still many flush draws in their range, but the shove may fold them out.

I think these spots are tough to play as well, but I think the shove is spewy. I don't know what the best line is on the Turn or River?

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c4ptain_obv

07-10-2010, 03:43 PM

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Kinda bad that the highcard guy needs to tell you this, but: MAKE RANGES.
What is he calling with that you beat?

Carroters

07-10-2010, 04:06 PM

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Turn shove is totally fine vs this guy, you will get called by way more than just hands that have you beat, and his range for calling all in on this turn is going to be wider than his range for betting it when checked to. As that treebet guy said, try giving him a calling range vs your turn shove and see how much equity you have vs it using poker stove. This is how to actually analyse hands.

Carroters

07-10-2010, 04:09 PM

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Here's a hint to start you off, a few of the hands he'll likely call with that you beat: 98s T9s J9s Q9s K9s A9o 97s 8d8x Ad4x. Some that beat you Ad2d AdTd QdJd. Go find the rest and make the overall range.

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07-10-2010, 04:10 PM

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Might want to raise a bit larger pre-flop.

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07-10-2010, 04:41 PM

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I'd make it bigger preflop, like 8-9BB since being oop vs 3 people sucks.

Rough range for calling the turn shove.

8c8d,8d8h,8d8s,6c6d,6d6h,6d6s,22,AdTd,A9s,Ad8d,Ad7 d,Ad6d,Ad5d,Ad4d,Ad3d,K9s,QdJd,
QdTd,Q9s,Qd8d,JdTd,J9s,T9s,Td8d,98s,96s,8d7d,AcTd, AdTc,AdTh,AdTs,AhTd,AsTd,A9o,Ad6c,
Ad6h,Ad6s,Ad4c,Ad4h,Ad4s,Ad2c,Ad2h,Ad2s,KdTc,KdTh, KdTs,K9o,Q9o,J9o,T9o,9c8d,9h8d,
9h8s,9s8d,9c6d,9h6d,9s6d,8c7d,8d7c,8d7h,8d7s,8h7d, 8s7d

Mostly pair+diamond's, 9x, bare Ad and over, made flushes etc.

nonofyobiz

07-10-2010, 06:24 PM

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ok I'll give it a shot....

Flop calling range ... Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

69,300 games 0.001 secs 69,300,000 games/sec

Board: 2d 9d 4d
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 42.939% 42.32% 00.62% 29329 427.50 { JcJh }
Hand 1: 57.061% 56.44% 00.62% 39116 427.50 { TT-99, 44, 22, AdJd, AdTd, Ad9d, Ad8d, Ad2d, KdQd, KdJd, QdJd, QdTd, JdTd, Td9d, Td8d, 8d7d, 7d6d, 6d5d, AcJd, AdJs, AhJd, AhJs, AsJd, AcTd, AdTc, AdTh, AdTs, AhTd, AsTd, Ac9h, Ac9s, Ad9c, Ad9h, Ad9s, Ah9c, Ah9s, As9c, As9h, KcQd, KdQc, KdQh, KdQs, KhQd, KsQd, KcJd, KdJc, KdJh, KdJs, KhJd, KsJd, QcJd, QdJc, QdJh, QdJs, QhJd, QsJd, QsJh, Jd9c, Jd9h, Jd9s, Td9c, Td9h, Td9s, 9c8d, 9h8d, 9s8d }

I don't see his turn calling range changing much *?*
------------------------------------------------------------------------

His betting range when check too on turn...

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

21,780 games 0.001 secs 21,780,000 games/sec

Board: 2d 9d 4d
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 15.133% 14.10% 01.03% 3071 225.00 { JcJh }
Hand 1: 84.867% 83.83% 01.03% 18259 225.00 { 99, 44, 22, AdJd, AdTd, Ac9c, Ad9d, Ad8d, KdJd, QdJd, JdTd, 8d7d, 7d6d, 6d5d, Ad9c, Ad9h, Ad9s }

In my mind he should only be betting made flushes, sets, and TP with nut flush re draw. Anything else would be considered a bluff?

The flop calling range seems too tight - I shouldn't be a dog here.

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