[25NL] AQo...make trips on river. Line check.

Villain is unknown.

PokerStars - $0.25 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BB: $27.07
UTG: $25.65
MP: $12.71
CO: $81.33
Hero (BTN): $25.00
SB: $37.58

SB posts SB $0.10, BB posts BB $0.25

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.35) Hero has Q A

UTG raises to $0.75, fold, fold, Hero calls $0.75, fold, BB calls $0.50

Flop: ($2.35, 3 players) A 7 4
BB checks, UTG bets $1.50, Hero calls $1.50, fold

Turn: ($5.35, 2 players) 3
UTG checks, Hero checks

River: ($5.35, 2 players) A
UTG bets $3.50, Hero raises to $10.20, UTG raises to $23.40 and is all-in, Hero calls $12.55 and is all-in

Should I be raising the river here? I thought that he hardly ever has a boat because why would he chk the turn if he had a set? I think most of his range consists of worse Ax hands and obviously I want to get maximum value from those hands.

Thoughts?

Unless villain is a super fishy , I think this has to be a raise fold ? I believe that villains in micros err on the passive side of making mistakes rather than the aggro side now a days . Def value in raising the river here , I am just not fan of the call of his shove bc he just does not come over the top here often enough imo wit single ax's . I would just raise and fold to the shove

Originally Posted by sah_24

Unless villain is a super fishy , I think this has to be a raise fold ? I believe that villains in micros err on the passive side of making mistakes rather than the aggro side now a days . Def value in raising the river here , I am just not fan of the call of his shove bc he just does not come over the top here often enough imo wit single ax's . I would just raise and fold to the shove

Hmm, I'm not sure how often he checks the turn w/ a set though.

We have 45% against 77,44, ATs-AJs and AJo. We have to call $12.55 to win $38.95 giving us better then 3:1 on our money.

Why are you raising river but not betting turn? Like do you think he's pot controlling AJ and then will suddenly call a raise on the river for some reason? It's not like your hand actually improved over anything in an UTG range.

He can def have ak in his range as well , but I just think a lot of the hands we beat would just flat the river bet . And the majority of the the hands that have us crushed are raising the river 100% .

Originally Posted by d0zer

Why are you raising river but not betting turn? Like do you think he's pot controlling AJ and then will suddenly call a raise on the river for some reason? It's not like your hand actually improved over anything in an UTG range.

You think villain will fold AJ to a raise on river?

I didn't need my hand to improve, I felt like I was ahead when villain checked the turn. I can't remember where it was but I remember reading/hearing somewhere about not betting 3 streets w/ like TP2K type hands, so sometimes I chk the turn hoping to get another bet or at least a call on the river.

Originally Posted by sah_24

He can def have ak in his range as well , but I just think a lot of the hands we beat would just flat the river bet . And the majority of the the hands that have us crushed are raising the river 100% .

I think AK bets the turn here. Even more so than a set.

Originally Posted by Cobra_1878

You think villain will fold AJ to a raise on river?

I didn't need my hand to improve, I felt like I was ahead when villain checked the turn. I can't remember where it was but I remember reading/hearing somewhere about not betting 3 streets w/ like TP2K type hands, so sometimes I chk the turn hoping to get another bet or at least a call on the river.



I think AK bets the turn here. Even more so than a set.

Right, so if everything that beats you bets turn, then you probably have the best hand when he checks and the only reason to check the turn is to pray that he's going to bluff the river. So just bet the turn since you don't have any info that villain will do that. Even if you only want 2 streets, the turn's better than the river because of the FD.

I don't get not betting the turn here. Turn is an easy bet.

As played, I would never check back turn and then raise river. Checking back turn assumes that villain is capable of checking the turn with better - either that or spazzes with air after you check back the turn. In either scenario there isn't value in a river raise (he either beats us or has air).

Bet turn imo. As played, no clue given I'd never take this line but I guess I would call now, given this is the top of my range after turn checks back.

Not betting the turn here tells me a lot about your game. I think your winrate is like 40% less than I would have thought had you bet that turn.


I think you can fold to the reraise on the river but I don't fault the call. With AK you'd have to call so this is definitely the threshold.

OK guys thanks, I clearly fucked up here by not betting the turn.

Just out of interest, if we bet the turn and the river bricked, should we be betting the river as well?

Originally Posted by Cobra_1878

OK guys thanks, I clearly fucked up here by not betting the turn.

Just out of interest, if we bet the turn and the river bricked, should we be betting the river as well?

Certainly. A jack isn't the greatest card though.

Yes definitely bet turn and river facing two checks. We have the nuts here facing a check. I'd bet any Ace twice here facing two checks.