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pilipolio

09-14-2008, 06:13 PM Post subject: [NL25] I bluff too much, line check please!

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I know I bluff too much at NL25 and this spew is a big reason why I break even. Here are a few hands to illustrate, some bluffs were successful, some not. I give stats on players for each hands, I usually take a lot of notes, but how do you manage to reach them once your session is over? (I play on party poker)

I feel like most of them are bad plays, and I will try to explain why as an exercise later. Thanks for all the comments!

Hand 1 : Villain is 25/15/3 after 55 hands

$0.1/$0.25 No Limit Holdem
6 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG TheMagic666 ($38.99)
UTG+1 phisen11 ($41.20)
CO Playpadel ($24.61)
BTN Akiakamai ($22.26)
SB Hero ($26.99)
BB mountainmen7 ($26.44)

Pre-flop: ($0.35, 6 players) Hero is SB

3 folds, Akiakamai raises to $0.85, Hero calls $0.75, 1 fold

Flop:

($1.95, 2 players)
Hero checks, Akiakamai bets $2, Hero calls $2

Turn:

($5.95, 2 players)
Hero bets $3

Hand 2 : Villain is 15/10/3 after 54 hands

$0.1/$0.25 No Limit Holdem
6 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG KyleDaKilla5 ($59.32)
UTG+1 sunshiiiine ($26.24)
CO Hero ($25.00)
BTN Sisko76 ($28.81)
SB Nephalem ($26.35)
BB Kaze1975 ($27.71)

Pre-flop: ($0.35, 6 players) Hero is CO

1 fold, sunshiiiine raises to $1, Hero calls $1, 3 folds

Flop:

($2.35, 2 players)
sunshiiiine bets $2, Hero raises to $6

Hand 2 : Villain is 16/11/5 after 155 hands

$0.1/$0.25 No Limit Holdem
6 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG ploper_ ($25.00)
UTG+1 MAMAPL ($51.92)
CO Sisko76 ($25.60)
BTN Hero ($26.43)
SB Kaze1975 ($42.79)
BB mathieu0340 ($73.98)

Pre-flop: ($0.35, 6 players) Hero is BTN

1 fold, MAMAPL raises to $1, 1 fold, Hero calls $1, 2 folds

Flop:

($2.35, 2 players)
MAMAPL bets $1.50, Hero raises to $4

Hand 3 : villain is 30/20/2.5 after 99 hands

$0.1/$0.25 No Limit Holdem
5 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG MrMaJdO ($104.77)
CO michalkoDD ($4.00)
BTN schwichty ($61.28)
SB jeroen030388 ($24.75)
BB Hero ($25.00)

Pre-flop: ($0.35, 5 players) Hero is BB

MrMaJdO calls $0.25, 1 fold, schwichty raises to $1.25, 1 fold, Hero calls $1, MrMaJdO folds

Flop:

($2.85, 2 players)
Hero checks, schwichty bets $1.75, Hero raises to $3.50, schwichty calls $1.75

Turn:

($9.85, 2 players)
Hero bets $6

Hand 4 : villain is 35/10/1.5 after 67 hands

$0.1/$0.25 No Limit Holdem
3 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
BTN Lagartos1987 ($28.77)
SB Hero ($25.92)
BB t_a1234 ($30.04)

Pre-flop: ($0.35, 3 players) Hero is SB

Lagartos1987 folds, Hero raises to $0.75, t_a1234 calls $0.50

Flop:

($1.50, 2 players)
Hero bets $1, t_a1234 calls $1

Turn:

($3.50, 2 players)
Hero bets $2, t_a1234 calls $2

River:

($7.50, 2 players)
Hero bets $5

Hand 5 : Villain is 50/5/1 after 55 hands

$0.1/$0.25 No Limit Holdem
5 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG Rhamkhal ($50.27)
CO profi448 ($16.77)
BTN PLS_CALL_911 ($24.30)
SB Lukas20222 ($26.16)
BB Hero ($33.65)

Pre-flop: ($0.35, 5 players) Hero is BB

3 folds, Lukas20222 calls $0.15, Hero raises to $1, Lukas20222 calls $0.75

Flop:

($2, 2 players)
Lukas20222 checks, Hero checks

Turn:

($2, 2 players)
Lukas20222 checks, Hero bets $1.25, Lukas20222 calls $1.25

River:

($4.50, 2 players)
Lukas20222 checks, Hero bets $3

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09-15-2008, 04:21 AM

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Hand 1 actually looks like a good spot because he might actually lay down AK here since he not only has to call the turn bet, but also a possible river bet. In fact, just put in a bigger bet on the turn and give up on the river since the turn is the best time to do this. He's calling you down with the jack, but he might lay down a king.

Hand 2, throw away AJ to a raise imo you're dominated here a lot. 15/10 is not raising AT0 from MP.

you have two hand 2s, I like floating in the second hand 2 because someone who doesn't have a jack might give up on the turn and if you're going to bluff, it's much easier to bluff after someone checks into you

hand 3: this guy is loose PF so probably loose post-flop he might call you down with 66 here, no use trying to bluff someone loose

hand 4: I wouldn't take that shot on the river, I doubt he has the flush draw, more like a jack or a 9 so if he calls you on the turn he's probably calling your river bet
hand 5: again, not betting the river unless I think he's drawing to a flush

cowboyardee

09-15-2008, 06:17 PM

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I don't know about other people, but I reraise AQ from the blinds with only one (lp) raise on the table.

Hand 1: I respectfully disagree with IOPQ. Opps range includes a lot of hands that hit this flop hard. You find yourself hoping he has AK if you're bluffing here. that's not too great for you.

Hand 2.1: An okay spot to semibluff if opp is not the type to move in on you here.

Hand 2.2: Your play screams 'bluff' or 'semibluff'. Not a good play if your opponent is even trying to put you on a hand.

Hand 3: opp is a little loose for the bluff, but otherwise not a bad spot.

Hand 4: I'd make it bigger on the turn, and i don't like that river bet at all since a 9 is most definitely in his range.

Hand 5: unless you're messing with your image or have a read that your opp is oddly tight postflop, there's no point in bluffing a 50/5/1. Ever.

kettleofish

09-15-2008, 07:47 PM

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Why not bet the flop in hand 5?

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pilipolio

09-15-2008, 07:59 PM

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Your replies are both very interesting, thanks!

hand 1 : I have AQ from SB, I flat called his button PFR thinking I would fare better against his 15% range. Retrospectively, if he's positionnal aware his range will be much wider from BU and a reraise preflop will be better.
On the flop, it strongly hits a +15% range but misses a wider range.
Therefore I would say 3bet if villain is positionnal aware (by checking steal attempt stat?), as played floating is fine. If he's not positionnal aware, call pre and fold flop or turn?

hand 2.1 : I think IOPQ got it right, there's no point of calling a tight PFRor with AJo, even with position. Reraising flop is so so, there are a lot of overpairs he's not folding or even high hearts.

hand 2.2 : Floating flop and betting turn if checked to seems a good and cheaper idea.

hand 3 : Same question of 3betting oop wi AQo as in hand 1. Villain is even looser and trying to isolate a loose limper, so 3betting might be better here. I was lost about to fire a second barrel or not, much harder to bluff oop!

hand 4 : As you said, bet turn scarce A stronger, c river

hand 5 : His line and the river check looked like a missed draw, the K seemed like a good scarce card too and i have zero showdown equity. A 3$ needs to work 2 times out of 3 which is a bit optimist against this loose player. I think a half size bet might be +EV.

pilipolio

09-15-2008, 08:03 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by kettleofish

Why not bet the flop in hand 5?

It's too tempting to check with position and take the nice free card for all the draws out there instead of betting and maybe folding to a cR. I would bet if oop.

kettleofish

09-17-2008, 02:08 PM

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^^^ IF you're checking the flop to see if u hit then why bother betting the turn? You said yourself you have no SD value and given the blank turn and his stats he's calling u w/ basically ATC (stations rarely believe u if u check the flop). And ur equity on the flop is pretty decent against anything other than a better FD...

Would be interested in others thoughts on this also, but i def prefer barreling flop+turn to turn+river against this type of villain.

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yourfather

09-17-2008, 02:15 PM

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I wouldn't run many multiple street bluffs until I know that villain can lay down tpbk etc..

STHollywood

09-17-2008, 04:13 PM

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Im just going to repeat something that ISF said to me and that is "just dont bluff at 25nl". Obviously he doesnt mean literally DO NOT BLUFF ever. But the thing is what we are exploiting at low stakes is the opponents being way to spewy and huge calling stations so why would bluffing 3 streets or raising the turn on middle pair be a profitable play?--the answer is in most cases it wouldnt. To bluff at 25nl you need to pick your spots better and mostly just throw away hands that have little value like hand 2

ISF while watching me play: "Wow, you're really butchering this."

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