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rowhousepd
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09-18-2009, 01:07 AM
Post subject: the *official* seat numbers for each position (9-handed)
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Straight
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Posts: 213
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An obvious newbie question here -- almost too newbie to post, but what the hell....
I keep seeing different definitions of what seat number each position includes in 9-handed games (preflop). I have noticed this variation in a few books I've looked at and as well posts from the forum. There are more or less 3 common options it seems. The first:
LP = seats 0-1 off the button.
MP = seats 2-4 otb
EP = 5-6 otb
Blinds = 7-8 (obviously)
The second:
LP = seats 0-2 off the button.
MP = seats 3-4 otb
EP = 5-6 otb
Blinds = 7-8
And the last:
LP = seats 0-1 off the button.
MP = seats 2-3 otb
EP = 4-6 otb
Blinds = 7-8
(Sorry, no picture)
I know this may be silly, but I just want to get this simple issue straight and be able to do things like replay my hands and figure out if I played the right hole cards according to position/seat number, etc.
So which is it, gang? 
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pretty sure HJ is considered MP in FR
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rowhousepd
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Straight
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Posts: 213
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Just realized that "seat numbers" usually relate to one's position at a table, not the position from the button, so saying "3 off the button" is really UTG. but that's more of a semantic issue.
I guess what I'm really asking here is more of a how-to-play-hole-cards issue, more of a preflop strategy questions. If I'm following the general guidelines of how tight/loose to play according to position (btw, I'm specifically looking at the Lee Jones book Low Limit Holdem and the Sklansky/Malmuth book Low Stakes Holdem), I believe I'd need to know where everything between UTG & CO falls in terms of early/middle/late.
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DoanDiggy
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Flush
Join Date: Oct 2008
Posts: 536
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Now you are starting to see the issue with static ranges. If you are in the HJ, you are effectively between LP and MP. If you have tight players behind you who will fold a lot, you should tend to raise with your LP range. If you have loose players behind who are going to flat and make your life hell, go with your MP range. If there is a really bad player in the blinds and average players behind you, go with your LP range.
Similar arguments apply on what hands you should be raising from UTG+2.
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jyms
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Tilting Mod
Join Date: Feb 2006
Posts: 4,836
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Your stunting your growth with trying to figure out this chart instead of figuring out why you need to have particular ranges in certain spots. If you know why you should be tighter in early position and looser in later position then you will be able to adjust to the tables better and actually get better at poker sooner. Stop working on the chart and figure out why? Then re post your question.
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by jyms
Your stunting your growth with trying to figure out this chart instead of figuring out why you need to have particular ranges in certain spots. If you know why you should be tighter in early position and looser in later position then you will be able to adjust to the tables better and actually get better at poker sooner. Stop working on the chart and figure out why? Then re post your question.
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Ha. Holy shit I was going to post the exact same thing. Charts are for blackjack and bingo.
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settecba
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Flush
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: stealing blinds from UTG
Posts: 326
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LOL. Why in hell would you need a chart for BINGO????
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by ISF
Getting good at poker is like that scene in the matrix where Neo suddenly sees that everyone is just a bunch of structured numbers and then he starts bending those numbers in really weird ways.
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BooG690
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Join Date: Mar 2009
Posts: 1,439
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by settecba
LOL. Why in hell would you need a chart for BINGO????
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The bingo card IS a chart...
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That's how winners play; we convince the other guy he's making all the right moves.
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