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Blazing_Saddler
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04-15-2009, 05:53 PM
Post subject: $25 NL 6 max hand (Value bet river and bet sizing problems)
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3-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Walsall
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not a very exciting hand , pretty bog standard. However I think it shows up leaks in my game.
not value betting the river in position I am sure is costing me money. I get a little worried when the board looks scary, even though it has been checked to me, and I am fairly certain I have the best hand.
Read on the Villain (SB) I have around 45 hands on him, so not much to go on, but it's all I have, and I am working hard to go with what I have got, rather than discounting it all together.
He was playing 19/9 which is pretty passive pre flop. AF of 1, really passive post flop. Fold to C bet 0/3. He had check raised one flop out of 3.
He had called 3 out of 4 steals from the Bb, so I his range is pretty wide I would imagine. I had seen him limp utg with KQs and AJo which isn't completely relevant to this hand, but it just made me think he was even more passive.
No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
Button ($67.42)
SB ($25)
BB ($19.07)
UTG ($36.72)
MP ($16.86)
Hero (CO) ($25)
Preflop: Hero is CO with A , K
2 folds, Hero bets $0.85, 1 fold, SB calls $0.75, 1 fold
Flop: ($1.95) 8 , K , 10 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $1.25, SB calls $1.25
Turn: ($4.45) 5 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $3, SB calls $3
River: ($10.45) Q (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks
Total pot: $10.45
I have great difficulty putting players with a wide range on a range. I think he is capable of flatting with a fairly good hand rather than 3 bet. As he hadn't attempted a 3 bet up to yet. I think Ak and any ace below are in his range. Any pocket pair including some decent ones.
When I bet the flop, I bet it for Value, I never expected him to fold for one second. When I Look at it now, maybe the size of it was a little small, although I didn't want to create a massive pot with my hand just yet, and he was capable of a check raise. However it is quite a wet flop, so maybe I should have bet a bit bigger.
The turn.
This is a blank as far as I am concerned. It makes a flush draw, but that isn't any great worry yet. This is part of my game I have tried to improve, I would have checked this in the past and given a free card. Again I bet for value, this time half expecting him to fold. Is my bet sizing to small again ?
The river.
When he calls the turn, I am convinced he has a King. Ace Jack is another posibility and Ace Queen. KQ, K10, and KJ seem most likely if he has a King. This is where I get the jitters. Should I be value betting this river ? Bet folding / Bet calling , or is it ok to check behind and take the showdown?
The River card scared me, but he checked it to me so it is likely I still have the best hand. He will call with a worse King, but there is only really KJ I beat. He would probably call with AQ too.
Any advice is welcome, it is a common situation I find myself in, I think I need to start betting for value a bit thinner on the river.
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hangchiong
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If you're ahead on most of the ranges you put,you can safely value bet here $5-$7.Bet sizing on flop and turn is fine.
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Blazing_Saddler
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Originally Posted by hangchiong
If you're ahead on most of the ranges you put,you can safely value bet here $5-$7.Bet sizing on flop and turn is fine.
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And instant muck if he shoves/ min raise etc etc ?
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surviva316
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bet sizing is about what i'd do for flop and turn. you may use terms like "wet" and "scare card" a little loosely though
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Go for around $6 on river, and don't expect to get check/raised here ever.
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b/f 6 dolla
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T-Rex
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Straight
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The ohhhhhh soo helpful tip that will make your life soo much easier
TOP PAIR WITH TOP KICKER.
BET ALL 3 STREETS FOLDING TO ANY RAISE woohooo simple u win! do that !
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surviva316
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4-of-a-Kind
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Originally Posted by T-Rex
The ohhhhhh soo helpful tip that will make your life soo much easier
TOP PAIR WITH TOP KICKER.
BET ALL 3 STREETS FOLDING TO ANY RAISE woohooo simple u win! do that !
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this is AT BEST a rule of thumb. especially if you have the likes of A8o
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T-Rex
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Straight
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i said top pair top kicker....
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connectthesuitors
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Straight
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Originally Posted by T-Rex
i said top pair top kicker....
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it is on an 8 high board 
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bigspenda73
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sometimes I bet the same amount I bet on the turn, drives taggfish crazy.
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T-Rex
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Straight
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Originally Posted by bigspenda73
sometimes I bet the same amount I bet on the turn, drives taggfish crazy.
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haha imma try that
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surviva316
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4-of-a-Kind
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by T-Rex
i said top pair top kicker....
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.......
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Originally Posted by BooG690
I just wanted to share singing vaginas. |
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Ragnar4
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Full House
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by T-Rex
The ohhhhhh soo helpful tip that will make your life soo much easier
TOP PAIR WITH TOP KICKER.
BET ALL 3 STREETS FOLDING TO ANY RAISE woohooo simple u win! do that !
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What if there's $2 in the pot, and effective stacks are 24 bucks?
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The older I get, the more I start wondering; Just what in the hell is going on here? 
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