Poker Forum

Over 1,246,000 Posts!

REGISTER
Subscribe to FTR web feed
Already Registered?      Username:    Password:   Remember      Forgot Password

Poker Forum

  > 

Beginners Circle

  > 

$25, KK facing aggressive betting on flop

  
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
RML604
Old 12-17-2008, 05:13 AM     Post subject: $25, KK facing aggressive betting on flop #1 (permalink)  
RML604's Avatar
Straight

Join Date: May 2008
Posts: 166
RML604
Send a message via Skype™ to RML604
 Too small of a sample size to matter.

Should I just shove pre-flop? As played, I was really torn on what to do here.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (9 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

CO ($16.55)
Button ($25)
SB ($20)
BB ($25)
UTG ($19.75)
UTG+1 ($25)
MP1 ($6.25)
MP2 ($21.20)
Hero (MP3) ($37.80)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with K, K
UTG calls $0.25, 3 folds, Hero raises to $1.50, 2 folds, SB calls $1.40, BB raises to $4, UTG calls $3.75, Hero calls $2.50, SB calls $2.50

Flop: ($16) 7, 6, 5 (4 players)
SB checks, BB bets $8, UTG raises to $15.75 (All-In), Hero ?
Reply With Quote

Play for FREE and practice your game at...

Join the FTR Poker Forum to disable these banners and start posting!
Parasurama
Old 12-17-2008, 07:13 AM #2 (permalink)  
Parasurama's Avatar
Full House

Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: DMT
Posts: 820
Parasurama
Why are you not 4-betting this pre? All in is only 6 times the 3-bet so you need to shove this. With so many players in the pot you have to try to get it heads-up before the flop. As played I don't know what to do because I never put myself in this spot. Without any experience in this situation I would say fold. This is a very ugly flop for KK with 4-way action.
Reply With Quote
Sabr1988
Old 12-17-2008, 02:34 PM #3 (permalink)  
Sabr1988's Avatar
3-of-a-Kind

Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Denmark, Kalundborg
Posts: 66
Sabr1988
As Parasurama wrote, i would never put my self in that situation with 3 or 4 people with me when the flop turn, not with KK preflop. I would, as he also pointed out, go AI before the flop turns, then some of them might fold. But ofc, specially this hand is a bit risky, looks to me like one of them have AA.

Would still go AI preflop in this situation.
With patience you win
 
Reply With Quote
RML604
Old 12-17-2008, 03:09 PM #4 (permalink)  
RML604's Avatar
Straight

Join Date: May 2008
Posts: 166
RML604
Send a message via Skype™ to RML604
 I normally wouldn't hesitate to go AI preflop here, but I just had a gut feeling that one of them had AA. But there's no way I'm folding pre, so I guess if I'm going to see the flop, I may as well push.

I was wondering what people thought the right play was on the flop, but I guess it's a moot point because I hopefully won't be in this situation again anyway.
 
Reply With Quote
a500lbgorilla
Old 12-17-2008, 03:35 PM #5 (permalink)  
a500lbgorilla's Avatar
JESUS TAKE THE KEYBOARD

Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: This room is a good place to be
Posts: 8,379
a500lbgorilla is a name known to alla500lbgorilla is a name known to alla500lbgorilla is a name known to alla500lbgorilla is a name known to alla500lbgorilla is a name known to alla500lbgorilla is a name known to all
Send a message via AIM to a500lbgorilla
i would 4 bet but not shove

flop spot is gross, i think i would fold but i'd really have to see what pokerstove says about it.

Smithers, use the amnesia ray.
You mean the revolver, sir?
Precisely.
 
Reply With Quote
grindinginnj
Old 12-17-2008, 06:37 PM #6 (permalink)  
Straight

Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Grinding In New Jersey!!
Posts: 143
grindinginnj
Tough not to push with KK, you want to thin the field out..If you thought someone had AA, would be a sick fold. But look like a genius when guy flips over those Aces.
Stackin chips and rippin lips!!
 
Reply With Quote
grindinginnj
Old 12-17-2008, 06:40 PM #7 (permalink)  
Straight

Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Grinding In New Jersey!!
Posts: 143
grindinginnj
I meant tough not to 4bet, then call AI bet. I am still learning maybe not the right play but thats what I would do.
Stackin chips and rippin lips!!
 
Reply With Quote
bigred
Old 12-17-2008, 06:44 PM #8 (permalink)  
bigred's Avatar
PROFESSIONAL TROLL

Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Nest of Douchebags
Posts: 2,184
bigred is a name known to allbigred is a name known to allbigred is a name known to allbigred is a name known to allbigred is a name known to allbigred is a name known to all
Quote:
Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla
i would 4 bet but not shove

flop spot is gross, i think i would fold but i'd really have to see what pokerstove says about it.
So what did pokerstove say about it?
LOL OPERATIONS
 
Reply With Quote
a500lbgorilla
Old 12-17-2008, 07:31 PM #9 (permalink)  
a500lbgorilla's Avatar
JESUS TAKE THE KEYBOARD

Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: This room is a good place to be
Posts: 8,379
a500lbgorilla is a name known to alla500lbgorilla is a name known to alla500lbgorilla is a name known to alla500lbgorilla is a name known to alla500lbgorilla is a name known to alla500lbgorilla is a name known to all
Send a message via AIM to a500lbgorilla
Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

79,200 games 0.062 secs 1,277,419 games/sec

Board: 7c 6d 5c
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 54.660% 52.39% 02.27% 41490 1800.50 { KcKs }
Hand 1: 45.340% 43.07% 02.27% 34109 1800.50 { 44+, AcKc, AcQc, AcJc, AcTc, Ac9c, Ac6c, KcQc, KcJc, Kc6c, QcJc, Qc6c, Jc6c, Tc6c, 9c6c, 8d7d, 8c6c, 76s, 65s, 8d7c, 8d7h, 8d7s, 8h7c, 8h7d, 8h7s, 8s7c, 8s7d, 8s7h, 7d6c, 7h6c, 7s6c, 6c5d, 6c5h, 6c5s }


That's UTG's value shoving range which doesn't consider what BB would call with if we shove over top.

Smithers, use the amnesia ray.
You mean the revolver, sir?
Precisely.
 
Reply With Quote
a500lbgorilla
Old 12-17-2008, 07:32 PM #10 (permalink)  
a500lbgorilla's Avatar
JESUS TAKE THE KEYBOARD

Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: This room is a good place to be
Posts: 8,379
a500lbgorilla is a name known to alla500lbgorilla is a name known to alla500lbgorilla is a name known to alla500lbgorilla is a name known to alla500lbgorilla is a name known to alla500lbgorilla is a name known to all
Send a message via AIM to a500lbgorilla
it's possible that BBs range for calling both players is the same making it an awesome move???

Smithers, use the amnesia ray.
You mean the revolver, sir?
Precisely.
 
Reply With Quote
bigred
Old 12-17-2008, 07:35 PM #11 (permalink)  
bigred's Avatar
PROFESSIONAL TROLL

Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Nest of Douchebags
Posts: 2,184
bigred is a name known to allbigred is a name known to allbigred is a name known to allbigred is a name known to allbigred is a name known to allbigred is a name known to all
 I think the preflop play is poor but I'm folding this on flop.
LOL OPERATIONS
 
Reply With Quote
jackvance
Old 12-17-2008, 07:37 PM #12 (permalink)  
jackvance's Avatar
4-of-a-Kind

Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 2,910
jackvance is an unknown quantity at this point
 Isn't that range a bit wide considering this is a 3bet pot?
Sarcasm is your body's natural defense against stupidity
 
Reply With Quote
a500lbgorilla
Old 12-17-2008, 07:37 PM #13 (permalink)  
a500lbgorilla's Avatar
JESUS TAKE THE KEYBOARD

Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: This room is a good place to be
Posts: 8,379
a500lbgorilla is a name known to alla500lbgorilla is a name known to alla500lbgorilla is a name known to alla500lbgorilla is a name known to alla500lbgorilla is a name known to alla500lbgorilla is a name known to all
Send a message via AIM to a500lbgorilla
yah, i effed up the suits on some of the hands I entered, but if we remove a lot of the junk hands like bad flush draws, weak pairs + draws, its a pretty even 33/33/33 race for all of the monies.

Smithers, use the amnesia ray.
You mean the revolver, sir?
Precisely.
 
Reply With Quote
a500lbgorilla
Old 12-17-2008, 07:40 PM #14 (permalink)  
a500lbgorilla's Avatar
JESUS TAKE THE KEYBOARD

Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: This room is a good place to be
Posts: 8,379
a500lbgorilla is a name known to alla500lbgorilla is a name known to alla500lbgorilla is a name known to alla500lbgorilla is a name known to alla500lbgorilla is a name known to alla500lbgorilla is a name known to all
Send a message via AIM to a500lbgorilla
Quote:
Originally Posted by jackvance
Isn't that range a bit wide considering this is a 3bet pot?
i was just going for a best case scenario but i agree

Smithers, use the amnesia ray.
You mean the revolver, sir?
Precisely.
 
Reply With Quote
bigred
Old 12-17-2008, 07:44 PM #15 (permalink)  
bigred's Avatar
PROFESSIONAL TROLL

Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Nest of Douchebags
Posts: 2,184
bigred is a name known to allbigred is a name known to allbigred is a name known to allbigred is a name known to allbigred is a name known to allbigred is a name known to all
Quote:
Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla
Quote:
Originally Posted by jackvance
Isn't that range a bit wide considering this is a 3bet pot?
i was just going for a best case scenario but i agree
Yeah, this is why I said fold flop. I forgot to mention I disagree with your range selection.
LOL OPERATIONS
 
Reply With Quote
a500lbgorilla
Old 12-17-2008, 07:46 PM #16 (permalink)  
a500lbgorilla's Avatar
JESUS TAKE THE KEYBOARD

Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: This room is a good place to be
Posts: 8,379
a500lbgorilla is a name known to alla500lbgorilla is a name known to alla500lbgorilla is a name known to alla500lbgorilla is a name known to alla500lbgorilla is a name known to alla500lbgorilla is a name known to all
Send a message via AIM to a500lbgorilla
lol bigredaments

Smithers, use the amnesia ray.
You mean the revolver, sir?
Precisely.
 
Reply With Quote
bigred
Old 12-17-2008, 07:48 PM #17 (permalink)  
bigred's Avatar
PROFESSIONAL TROLL

Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Nest of Douchebags
Posts: 2,184
bigred is a name known to allbigred is a name known to allbigred is a name known to allbigred is a name known to allbigred is a name known to allbigred is a name known to all
 We proved you wrong, shouldn't you be celebrating?
LOL OPERATIONS
 
Reply With Quote
a500lbgorilla
Old 12-17-2008, 07:52 PM #18 (permalink)  
a500lbgorilla's Avatar
JESUS TAKE THE KEYBOARD

Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: This room is a good place to be
Posts: 8,379
a500lbgorilla is a name known to alla500lbgorilla is a name known to alla500lbgorilla is a name known to alla500lbgorilla is a name known to alla500lbgorilla is a name known to alla500lbgorilla is a name known to all
Send a message via AIM to a500lbgorilla
you wish you proved me wrong

Smithers, use the amnesia ray.
You mean the revolver, sir?
Precisely.
 
Reply With Quote
a500lbgorilla
Old 12-17-2008, 07:53 PM #19 (permalink)  
a500lbgorilla's Avatar
JESUS TAKE THE KEYBOARD

Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: This room is a good place to be
Posts: 8,379
a500lbgorilla is a name known to alla500lbgorilla is a name known to alla500lbgorilla is a name known to alla500lbgorilla is a name known to alla500lbgorilla is a name known to alla500lbgorilla is a name known to all
Send a message via AIM to a500lbgorilla
oh yah, i totally forgot to add made straights, i knew i forgot something

Smithers, use the amnesia ray.
You mean the revolver, sir?
Precisely.
 
Reply With Quote
AFchung
Old 12-18-2008, 12:52 AM #20 (permalink)  
AFchung's Avatar
Full House

Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: UCLA
Posts: 1,179
AFchung
Send a message via AIM to AFchung
preflop play is absolutely terrible. as played i think you really need to fold because that board screams twopair/set/made straights
http://afchung.blogspot.com/
 
Reply With Quote
Blazing_Saddler
Old 12-18-2008, 08:46 PM #21 (permalink)  
3-of-a-Kind

Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Walsall
Posts: 65
Blazing_Saddler
Terrible decision to call on the flop as mentioned. Fold the flop.
What the hell is UTG playing. I can only think small PP and he has hit his set.
Reply With Quote
GatorJH
Old 12-18-2008, 08:58 PM #22 (permalink)  
GatorJH's Avatar
4-of-a-Kind

Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: HotLanta
Posts: 3,179
GatorJH will become famous soon enough
Send a message via AIM to GatorJH
Quote:
Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla
oh yah, i totally forgot to add made straights, i knew i forgot something
Sounds like you forgot a ton of shit. Care to redo this with the correct range so we can ridicule it more effectively?
Poker is easy, it's winning at poker that's hard.
 
Reply With Quote
bpurvis2
Old 12-22-2008, 03:54 AM #23 (permalink)  

Join Date: Jun 2006
Posts: 35
bpurvis2
Yes I would have shoved here and isolated pot you may have got one or two callers but you would of lost one atleast whe nyou shoved if not two to make it heads up with your KK you misplayed this one and let it get to 4 way preflop with that board if someone fires a shot at that flop you have to fold could be set or even a striaght.
Reply With Quote
wellrounded08
Old 12-22-2008, 04:01 AM #24 (permalink)  
wellrounded08's Avatar
Flush

Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: ...Good Question........Where am I?
Posts: 366
wellrounded08
Go All-in.
Reply With Quote
Reply
Latest Poker News
KoRnholio Old 05-26-2012, 03:08 PM    Australia Legalized Online Poker coming up in next 6 to 12 Months
According to an email sent out by Mark Bryan, a gaming analyst at Merrill Lynch, the Australian government plans to legalize online poker sometime in the next six to 12 months. This move will coincide ...

« Previous Thread | Next Thread »
Thread Tools
Display Modes
Linear Mode Linear Mode

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


All times are GMT. The time now is 06:14 PM.

Contact Us - Archive - Top

FTR Testimonials

All content
© FlopTurnRiver.com 		Advertising  |   Partners  |   Testimonials  |   T&C  |   Contact Us  |   FTR News & Press  |   Site Map  |   Search FTR

Full Tilt  |   Titan Poker  |   UltimateBet  |   Poker Stars  |   Ladbrokes Bonus  |   Sportsbook  |   Cake Poker  

Play Texas Holdem Online, Online Texas Holdem Strategy, & Poker Forum
This is not a gambling website.