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Mony B
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03-02-2005, 03:45 AM
Post subject: $$ Available to safely lose vs. which table limits you play
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Straight
Join Date: Jun 2004
Posts: 192
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I was thinking about this the tonight and it might be a great way for people to get a cheaper lesson in higher limits. One thing is for sure, buying in with the table max-limit is the best way to play being you are allowed to go through more orbits and catch better hands so you can make more money (wow that was a little bit of a run-on sentence).
Then i got to thinking, you know i want to play at the .25-.50 tables and i have only played the .10-.25 tables ( this is not a real life example, just for the sake of the story) why not buy in for the same amount i do at the .10-.25 tables ( The table max of 25$ 100xBB) and buy in at the 50$ max table buy in. Most people when they move up limits dont expect to win right away, there is a lot of adapting that has to go on when you move up, so then it hit me, if you are able to safely lose 25$ and still be able to go back down to the 25$ tables and make it back, why not move up and get some higher limit experiance?
This works two ways, one- when you get to the 50$ buy in tables and sit down with 25$ you could lose it but it will more then likely make you a better player just from the time you sat with BETTER PLAYERS. The only way to get better is to be around someone who is better then you, some people will argue this point but its a great way for noob's to learn how to play the game correctly. So then when you get back to the 25$ tables you make your 25$ back, and then some since you are so good and go back to the 50$.
The other way this could go is you realize that the 50$ max isnt much different then the 25$ and the players are about the same, and you make enough money at the 50$ to be able to support your new higher stakes.
The second step could be eased into as well not make all the money on the first night you play there but slowly.
To me this is a great way to learn and adapt since you wont be losing as much if you just jump right into it with the table max.
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SmackinYaUp
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: B N L
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It is tempting to move up, but then it becomes tempting to stay up there because now your stakes' pots look tiny. You might even win a couple pots and decide to stay up there, under-bankrolled and in a somewhat dangerous situation.
It feels better to crush the limits you are comfortable at and build the BR than to struggle with scared money at the higher stakes.
Thats just my opinion though, because Im not too disciplined sometimes. Ive sat at some bigger stakes with half my BR just to see what it feels like...but I ran before I even saw my cards - did NOT want to see pocket As get cracked by some booty.
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Bmxicle
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Full House
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Vancouver
Posts: 947
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That's kind of what i've done. All the fish on noble poker buyin for way less than the maximum 100bb buyin. So on the $100 dollar tables i buyin for 60 dollars (which is bankrolled pretty conservatively). This makes me risk less, but make the same amount because most people (to controll their losing i guess) buyin for 20 or 30 dollars at these tables.
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elipsesjeff
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Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Northern Virginia
Posts: 4,900
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If you dont buy in with the max buy in, then you are foregoing a chance at a larger profit when you do have a hand.
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lolzzz_321
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NO YOU
Join Date: Oct 2004
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Originally Posted by elipsesjeff
If you dont buy in with the max buy in, then you are foregoing a chance at a larger profit when you do have a hand.
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He t00k the words right out of my mouth.
You shouldn't have to buy in for less, that shows you are either improperly bankrolled or not prepared for the next level (or *gasp*, both). Once you can consistenly and comfortably crush "your" game then move up.
Also, there is not much of a skill difference between 25 and 50 dollar buy ins.
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Waggho
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Flush
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Sweden
Posts: 260
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I think this strategy could work out fine as a psychological lifeline. Sure, you probably won´t make as much profit this way, but if you hit a bad losing streak with max buy-ins the first time you move up, you might be scared to try it again. If the opposite happens, and you win a lot at first, you might get hubris and start playing bad with negative consequenses to your bankroll and skills.
Also, when adjusting to higher stakes you need to adjust yourself to the variance. If you lose double as much in one day than you have ever lost in one day before, this most probably will affect your mood which I think never is good.
As a conclusion, I think this strategy could work out good for many people when they feel like "teenagers": They are not quite children and feel the lower stakes tables are "childish", neither grown-ups ready to have house, wife and dog at the higher stakes tables. After all, the stakes always increase with a factor of 2 which is a pretty big leap.
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