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Gatlin Dan
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06-15-2005, 05:08 AM
Post subject: You and your Roll
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A simple question with simple answers. Be honest.
This may have already been done, but I am curious how important being bankrolled for your game is to other limit players specifically.
Remember, no bullshittin. It won't kill you to tell the truth.
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Element187
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sometimes i play around at higher levels, but my roll isnt something sooooo sacred its the end of my poker life if i lose it ... i have enough money to replace it at anytime, i just prefer not to 
but being bankrolled for the limit you play at is probably the smartest thing to do.
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I dont. I may not have all the money in the site at the same time, but I definately have the 300 BB readily available ICOE. You really arent practicy what you've been reading and steadying if you do play outside your roll.
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Gatlin Dan
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ICOE?
Many people read and study, but few apply it as recommended. I'm really curious as to how many people make a dedicated committment to always maintain proper bankroll management, and how many don't bother with bankroll, and how many fall somewhere in between.
I will be quite surprised (given all answers are given honestly) if the majority don't fall somewhere in between.
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I voted "I know I shouldn't but...." because I've taken a few shots at games outside of my roll. I think this is an OK experiment at times provided you adhere to a stop-loss and don't continue playing out of your roll for an extended time. My shots have been nothing more than sessions of a couple hundred hands at a time.
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nemofromuscl
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Originally Posted by gutshot
I voted "I know I shouldn't but...." because I've taken a few shots at games outside of my roll. I think this is an OK experiment at times provided you adhere to a stop-loss and don't continue playing out of your roll for an extended time. My shots have been nothing more than sessions of a couple hundred hands at a time.
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Thats what I do too, gutshot. I usually wait until I'm getting good cards and then try it.
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Phyl
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I frequently play outside my roll. I take shots with 200BBs when I find some good tables, I'm willing to risk a chunk of my bankroll for the possibility of a nice bankroll boost or maybe even moving up permanently. It's not particularly risky because if I goes wrong I can just move down.
I think it's ok if you don't play scared and don't flip out with a loss. When moving up to a new level I don't think I've ever been fully bankrolled.
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jmontis
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I've been wanting to take shots at 3-6 lately on party, 2-4 is insane though, you can win or lose at least $100 a session.
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take your ego out of the equation and judge the situation dispassionately
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Gatlin Dan
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Originally Posted by jmontis
I've been wanting to take shots at 3-6 lately on party, 2-4 is insane though, you can win or lose at least $100 a session.
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100 bucks at 2/4 is only 25 big bets. You can't think of it as dollars won or lost. You have to think in terms of bets. When you move up you are naturally going to lose more dollars when you lose and win more dollars when you win. The dollars shouldn't matter while you are at the table. It's all about winning bets. Only after you leave the table and the roll is put away for the night should the monetary value of those chips be considered.
Thinking things like "I'm already down 100 bucks" instead of "I'm only down 25 BB's" is a sure way to start playing weak/tight.
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Theeggman
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Originally Posted by Gatlin Dan
ICOE?
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In case of emergency I think.
My roll is like element's. I play at about 100-200x BBs but if I bust I can reload.
But after my MTT win my roll doubled, so YES, I am properly BRd for my level.
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I'll be a rootin' tootin' shootin' damn fool, protectin' my chips.
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Muxy
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This posts really informed me on Bankrolling for Limit. I think I will start palying limit from now on. (I cant belive i said this either)
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elipsesjeff
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some of the conversations in this thread scare me.
Don't come to anyone after you go bust. Rules are rules and in most cases theres a reason to follow them.
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It depends. I played with 400BB to start at .05/.10 (thats a whole $40.) But when I had $100 I moved to .25/.50 (thats 200BB), and when I had about 200 I moved to .5/1 (200BB, obviously)
So it depends. I knew I could crush the .25/.50 and .5/1 games, so I wasn't worried about too much about it. But to move from .5/1 to 1/2, I'll probably wait until I'm properly bankrolled.
To be properly bankroleld for 1/2, I'd need $600. I'm at about $400. I also need to bonus whore.
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nemofromuscl
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I play way out of my bankroll. I started 1-2 at 100 and 2-4 at 200 but I just wait until I'm getting a good streak of cards and then play tighter than usual.
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Fnord
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Originally Posted by nemofromuscl
I just wait until I'm getting a good streak of cards and then play tighter than usual.
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Great way to lose it all slowly with a lower potential return.
What I will say, is that "roll" can be a figurative thing. If have $400 in your account and can afford to drop another $400+ at the drop of a hat, by all means play 2/4 if you can beat the snot out of the game. Most of the best bankroll discussions are refering to professional players with is a very different thing than playing with a little money you can afford to lose.
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Element187
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Originally Posted by nemofromuscl
I play way out of my bankroll. I started 1-2 at 100 and 2-4 at 200 but I just wait until I'm getting a good streak of cards and then play tighter than usual.
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you realize you can drop 50BB in one session of cold cards not connecting with the flop??
even the best limit players in the world drop more then that on a daily basis.
Jennifer Harman says she swings 100BB or more in a night. but then again she plays at the 1k/2k level.
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Phyl
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Originally Posted by elipsesjeff
some of the conversations in this thread scare me.
Don't come to anyone after you go bust. Rules are rules and in most cases theres a reason to follow them.
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What exactly are you referring to?
What I wrote looks kind of dangerous but taking a 50BB shot at a higher level is fine aslong as you realise you're taking a shot it's not necessarily a permanent move.
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nemofromuscl
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Yes, I know for the most part its a stupid idea. I'll usually set a maximum amount of BBs that I can lose before I have to quit, if I'm playing up. Thats a good point Fnord made, and I can always afford to drop at least the #of BBs im willing to lose before I quit, so its okay I guess.
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Nehmer
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I have had WAY too many -50-100BB swings and 2 bigger swings to even consider playing at a limit where I don't have at least 300BB. I'll admit that it would be fun to try 10/20 instead of my usual 3/6, but at this point in time I'm not quite bankrolled for it and would be very upset with myself if I had one of those days where you sit down and immediately lose 50BB from busted big pairs and sets. So for now, I am happy playing 3/6 with the occasional 5/10 thrown in for a change.
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Zinnsoldaten
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Originally Posted by Nehmer
I have had WAY too many -50-100BB swings and 2 bigger swings to even consider playing at a limit where I don't have at least 300BB. I'll admit that it would be fun to try 10/20 instead of my usual 3/6, but at this point in time I'm not quite bankrolled for it and would be very upset with myself if I had one of those days where you sit down and immediately lose 50BB from busted big pairs and sets. So for now, I am happy playing 3/6 with the occasional 5/10 thrown in for a change.
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TylerK
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Originally Posted by Phyl
I frequently play outside my roll. I take shots with 200BBs when I find some good tables, I'm willing to risk a chunk of my bankroll for the possibility of a nice bankroll boost or maybe even moving up permanently. It's not particularly risky because if I goes wrong I can just move down.
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I agree with this. The occasional stab at a bigger game is fine.
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TylerK: its just gambling if i want to worry about money i'll go to work lol
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jmontis
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heh doyle brunson's BR advice in SS1 is scary, he recommended 100 BB for at least $10 limit....
200 BB does sound more reasonable for a limit if you have strong discipline, but you'd have to step down if you took some losses. Mike Caro also says it's easier to risk a smaller bankroll as opposed to a $20,000 one....
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poskid_1982
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In order to play in a game worthwhile...I have too...And I'm only playing .5/1
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Superb play sir...I always call 20% of my stack off with a gutshot draw. Excuse me while I race for my wallet.
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4-of-a-Kind
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just to put your views into perspective, many shorthanded 2+2ers consider -300BB to be a downswing. 100BB is now a regular swing.
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