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Krotalus
Old 05-06-2005, 03:27 AM     Post subject: WTF?!?!?! The story of my night in one hand..... #1 (permalink)  

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Preflop: Hero is UTG with K, A.
Hero raises, 3 folds, MP2 calls, 1 fold, CO calls, Button calls, 2 folds.

Flop: (9.40 SB) A, 4, 7 (4 players)
Hero bets, MP2 calls, CO calls, Button folds.

Turn: (6.20 BB) 3 (3 players)
Hero bets, MP2 raises, CO folds, Hero calls.

River: (10.20 BB) J (2 players)
Hero bets, MP2 raises, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 14.20 BB

Results in white below:
Hero has Kd Ah (one pair, aces).
MP2 has 5c 6s (straight, seven high).
Outcome: MP2 wins 14.20 BB.


well i am officially on tilt and going to bed, been sucked out, rivered and just plain ass raped all night, this hand was just the icing on the cake
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Old 05-06-2005, 03:34 AM #2 (permalink)  
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well i am officially on tilt and going to bed, been sucked out, rivered and just plain ass raped all night, this hand was just the icing on the cake
this sounds like my night exception i was playing 0.5/1...
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Old 05-06-2005, 03:37 AM #3 (permalink)  
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I don't understand the stop and go. You called the raise on the turn, then bet out on the river.

Check/call the river when your opp shows that the turn improved his hand. They usually aren't lying. The only way you can bet the river is if YOU improve.
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Old 05-06-2005, 03:42 AM #4 (permalink)  
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I don't understand the stop and go. You called the raise on the turn, then bet out on the river.

Check/call the river when your opp shows that the turn improved his hand. They usually aren't lying. The only way you can bet the river is if YOU improve.
do you recommend giving them the benefit of the doubt unless otherwise (IE: they raising with nothing, stealing pots)
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Old 05-06-2005, 04:03 AM #5 (permalink)  
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I don't understand the stop and go. You called the raise on the turn, then bet out on the river.

Check/call the river when your opp shows that the turn improved his hand. They usually aren't lying. The only way you can bet the river is if YOU improve.
do you recommend giving them the benefit of the doubt unless otherwise (IE: they raising with nothing, stealing pots)
At this level?

. . . Yes.



To his credit, the only mistake he made was calling preflop. It it were me I woulda raised you on the flop.


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Old 05-06-2005, 04:20 AM #6 (permalink)  
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To his credit, the only mistake he made was calling preflop. It it were me I woulda raised you on the flop.
You should re-think that line. It was a hard habbit for me to break. Once you learn to stop calling so darn much, you need to learn when it's ok to just call.
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Old 05-06-2005, 10:50 AM #7 (permalink)  

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I put him on A2 or A5, i guess the thought that someone would call a raise preflop with 65o never really crossed my mind.

I figured he had the pair of Aces and that the 3 gave him a straight draw too and that is why he raised on the turn.
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Old 05-06-2005, 01:05 PM #8 (permalink)  
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I would say A3s but frankly I would be amazed to see 56!!
Then again, my last night was not great also, so I saw all kind of stuf
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I figured he had the pair of Aces and that the 3 gave him a straight draw too and that is why he raised on the turn.
If you feel good enough about your hand to bet the river when the river card didn't help you, then you probably should have 3-bet the turn.

The only time I would smooth-call the raise on the turn, then bet out of position on the river is if I improved OR if a scare card hit and I thought my opp could fold.
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Old 05-06-2005, 05:44 PM #10 (permalink)  
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If you feel good enough about your hand to bet the river when the river card didn't help you, then you probably should have 3-bet the turn.
Meh, there are times a Stop'n'go here is justified.
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Old 05-06-2005, 09:00 PM #11 (permalink)  

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and it continues......


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Preflop: Hero is MP3 with A, A.
3 folds, MP1 calls, 1 fold, Hero raises, CO calls, Button calls, 1 fold, BB calls, MP1 calls.

Flop: (10 SB) K, T, 7 (5 players)
BB checks, MP1 checks, Hero bets, CO calls, Button calls, BB raises, MP1 folds, Hero 3-bets, CO folds, Button folds, BB caps, Hero calls.

Turn: (9.60 BB) 7 (2 players)

River: (9.60 BB) 2 (2 players)

Final Pot: 9.60 BB

Results in white below:
SB doesn't show.
BB has Td Ts (full house, tens full of sevens).
Hero has As Ac (two pair, aces and sevens).
Outcome: BB wins 9.60 BB.


i had this guy on Kx and i was wrong yet again
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Old 05-06-2005, 09:03 PM #12 (permalink)  

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which leads me to chicken out on a winning hand

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Preflop: Hero is MP1 with T, T.
1 fold, UTG+1 raises, Hero calls, MP2 calls, 4 folds.

Flop: (7.40 SB) J, 7, Q (3 players)
UTG+1 bets, Hero calls, MP2 calls.

Turn: (5.20 BB) 3 (3 players)
UTG+1 bets, Hero folds, MP2 calls.

River: (7.20 BB) T (2 players)
UTG+1 bets, MP2 calls.

Final Pot: 9.20 BB

Results in white below:
UTG+1 has Qc Kh (one pair, queens).
MP2 has 9s Jh (one pair, jacks).
Outcome: UTG+1 wins 9.20 BB.


i had this guy on pocket Js or Qs


am i doing anything right? or is it just the "luck of the cards"?
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Old 05-06-2005, 09:18 PM #13 (permalink)  
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Not sure what's up in that AA hand. I hope you aren't the one that's all in there. There's nothing you could have done about that hand.

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which leads me to chicken out on a winning hand
that was a good fold. There were two overs on the board and 2 other players entering the turn. You were on a two outer that just happened to hit on the river.

I probably would have 3 bet TT against UTG. I know how loose the raising requirements are at that level.
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Old 05-06-2005, 09:39 PM #14 (permalink)  
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which leads me to chicken out on a winning hand
Fold the flop. I don't like chasing 2 outers unless the pot is huge or I need to call a flop raise for table image.
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