Wow .. this shocked me..

**Hartlin** · 09-25-2006 10:33 PM

Unreal.. Villain was an 85/50.. and I'm on his left!!

Full Tilt Poker Game #1037871700: Table Elkhorn (6 max) - $2/$4 - Limit Hold'em - 18:25:33 ET - 2006/09/25
Seat 1: OrlJrdn13 ($73)
Seat 2: PoloniusFunk ($92.50)
Seat 3: later711114 ($49)
Seat 4: hartlis1 ($155)
Seat 5: koiboi ($39)
Seat 6: sorluc ($246)
OrlJrdn13 posts the small blind of $1
PoloniusFunk posts the big blind of $2
The button is in seat #6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to hartlis1 [Ah Jd]
later711114 raises to $4
hartlis1 raises to $6
koiboi folds
sorluc folds
OrlJrdn13 folds
PoloniusFunk folds
later711114 raises to $8
hartlis1 calls $2
*** FLOP *** [8h Jc As]
later711114 bets $2
hartlis1 calls $2
*** TURN *** [8h Jc As] [3s]
later711114 bets $4
hartlis1 raises to $8
later711114 raises to $12
hartlis1 raises to $16
later711114 calls $4
*** RIVER *** [8h Jc As 3s] [3h]
later711114 bets $4
hartlis1 raises to $8
later711114 folds
Uncalled bet of $4 returned to hartlis1
hartlis1 mucks
hartlis1 wins the pot ($60)
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $63 | Rake $3
Board: [8h Jc As 3s 3h]
Seat 1: OrlJrdn13 (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 2: PoloniusFunk (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 3: later711114 folded on the River
Seat 4: hartlis1 collected ($60), mucked
Seat 5: koiboi didn't bet (folded)
Seat 6: sorluc (button) didn't bet (folded)

I absolutely cannot BELIEVE he folded.. wow! Unreal, haha.

EDIT: PS: I still can't find a WORKING hand history converter. All of the ones I have tried have said that this is an unrecognized format... odd... help maybe? lol at that fold...

**Xanadu** · 09-25-2006 10:48 PM

I've seen this happen a few times. It is always surprising. I've seen the 3-bet river bluff after a capped turn with NPNK a few times too. nh

**pokerfanatic** · 09-26-2006 08:36 AM

Full Tilt Poker
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $2/$4
6 players
Converter

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is UTG+1 with A

J

UTG raises, Hero 3-bets, 4 folds, UTG caps, Hero calls.

Flop: 8

J

A

(9.5SB, 2 players)
UTG bets, Hero calls.

Turn: 3

(5.75BB, 2 players)
UTG bets, Hero raises, UTG 3-bets, Hero caps, UTG calls.

River: 3

(13.75BB, 2 players)
UTG bets, Hero raises, UTG folds.
Uncalled bets: 1BB returned to Hero.

Results:
Final pot: 15.75BB

hmm looks like the link i posted in a thread that says "READ BEFORE POSTING: Hand History Guidelines" works just fine

http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...oker-33231.htm

**Hartlin** · 09-26-2006 10:46 AM

This is not a recognized hand history format.

That is what I get every time. What part am I supposed to be pasting in there? o_O no idea why it won't work.. I've tried and tried and tried...

**pokerfanatic** · 09-26-2006 11:05 AM

Originally Posted by Pokerfanatic

BisonBison Converter now customized on FTR:
Click here.

Multi Hand Converter:
note: It says it's able to do many hands at once from the same site
note: This converter will do HH from sites the above link can not handle
http://www.neildewhurst.com/hand-converter/

there are 2 links... if the first one doesn't work...

Originally Posted by PokerFanatic

note: This converter will do HH from sites the above link can not handle

i thought it was pretty clear that there were 2 different converters in this post maybe i was wrong...

not trying to sound like an ass, but if my post is unclear i would like to reword it to where it is more obvious and easily understood...

**Hartlin** · 09-26-2006 07:07 PM

TESTING

Full Tilt Poker
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $2/$4
6 players
Converter

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is UTG+1 with :ah :jd
UTG raises, Hero 3-bets, 4 folds, UTG caps, Hero calls.

Flop: :8h :jc :as (9.5SB, 2 players)
UTG bets, Hero calls.

Turn: :3s (5.75BB, 2 players)
UTG bets, Hero raises, UTG 3-bets, Hero caps, UTG calls.

River: :3h (13.75BB, 2 players)
UTG bets, Hero raises, UTG folds.
Uncalled bets: 1BB returned to Hero.

Results:
Final pot: 15.75BB

**Hartlin** · 09-26-2006 07:07 PM

TESTING

Full Tilt Poker
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $2/$4
6 players
Converter

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is UTG+1 with :ah :jd
UTG raises, Hero 3-bets, 4 folds, UTG caps, Hero calls.

Flop: :8h :jc :as (9.5SB, 2 players)
UTG bets, Hero calls.

Turn: :3s (5.75BB, 2 players)
UTG bets, Hero raises, UTG 3-bets, Hero caps, UTG calls.

River: :3h (13.75BB, 2 players)
UTG bets, Hero raises, UTG folds.
Uncalled bets: 1BB returned to Hero.

Results:
Final pot: 15.75BB

Still f'ed up.. lol

**kyc12** · 09-26-2006 07:11 PM

use edit and preview functions

on http://www.neildewhurst.com/hand-converter/ you have to choose FTR format from the options lower down the page. But I have difficulty loading it now

**elipsesjeff** · 09-26-2006 09:41 PM

http://poker-tools.flopturnriver.com/Hand-Converter.php

I use this one, always works just fine.

**midas06** · 09-26-2006 10:04 PM

you have to choose FTR, not whatever the default is

**pokerfanatic** · 09-26-2006 10:29 PM

Originally Posted by elipsesjeff

http://poker-tools.flopturnriver.com/Hand-Converter.php

I use this one, always works just fine.

i think that one wont work for FTP hands... probably works for Stars though...

**Hartlin** · 09-27-2006 12:39 AM

Yeah, still doesn't work.. blah @ this... the OLD bisons converter worked for me..

**outphase** · 09-27-2006 12:56 PM

Full Tilt Poker
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $2/$4
6 players
Converter

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hartlin is UTG+1 with A

J

UTG raises, Hartlin 3-bets, 4 folds, UTG caps, Hartlin calls.

Flop: 8

J

A

(9.5SB, 2 players)
UTG bets, Hartlin calls.

Turn: 3

(5.75BB, 2 players)
UTG bets, Hartlin raises, UTG 3-bets, Hartlin caps, UTG calls.

River: 3

(13.75BB, 2 players)
UTG bets, Hartlin raises, UTG folds.
Uncalled bets: 1BB returned to Hartlin.

Results:
Final pot: 15.75BB

Works for me

**Hartlin** · 09-27-2006 01:27 PM

I must be retarded then.. it doesn't work for me, good game life

**pokerfanatic** · 09-27-2006 02:25 PM

whatever getting back to the hand...

sure he is an 85/50 but what does that tell you about his postflop play... nothing at all... an 85/50 can be a 0.5 or a 4.5 TAF postflop and they play completely different...

with that said depending on where this preflop maniac happens to be classified, is the main decision of if i cap the turn or not, or even raise the flop est, basically the line i take...

what i really don't get is why he donks into a turn capper then folds to a raise... i mean really, that's just plan dumb... hell if he had a pair of 8s though it's sadly obvious he is totally beat, the pot is so large it would be a even bigger mistake to muck for 1bb...

of course this guy just plan doesn't think period... so i'm not sure what there is to talk about with this hand other then debating a flop and turn line... which would be like a 0.5bb EV or something...

you can't understand a maniacs play because they have a totaly diffrent mind set then we do...

09-25-2006 10:33 PM #1
Hartlin View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Mar 2006 Posts 570	Wow .. this shocked me.. Unreal.. Villain was an 85/50.. and I'm on his left!! Full Tilt Poker Game #1037871700: Table Elkhorn (6 max) - $2/$4 - Limit Hold'em - 18:25:33 ET - 2006/09/25 Seat 1: OrlJrdn13 ($73) Seat 2: PoloniusFunk ($92.50) Seat 3: later711114 ($49) Seat 4: hartlis1 ($155) Seat 5: koiboi ($39) Seat 6: sorluc ($246) OrlJrdn13 posts the small blind of $1 PoloniusFunk posts the big blind of $2 The button is in seat #6 * HOLE CARDS * Dealt to hartlis1 [Ah Jd] later711114 raises to $4 hartlis1 raises to $6 koiboi folds sorluc folds OrlJrdn13 folds PoloniusFunk folds later711114 raises to $8 hartlis1 calls $2 * FLOP * [8h Jc As] later711114 bets $2 hartlis1 calls $2 * TURN * [8h Jc As] [3s] later711114 bets $4 hartlis1 raises to $8 later711114 raises to $12 hartlis1 raises to $16 later711114 calls $4 * RIVER * [8h Jc As 3s] [3h] later711114 bets $4 hartlis1 raises to $8 later711114 folds Uncalled bet of $4 returned to hartlis1 hartlis1 mucks hartlis1 wins the pot ($60) * SUMMARY * Total pot $63 \| Rake $3 Board: [8h Jc As 3s 3h] Seat 1: OrlJrdn13 (small blind) folded before the Flop Seat 2: PoloniusFunk (big blind) folded before the Flop Seat 3: later711114 folded on the River Seat 4: hartlis1 collected ($60), mucked Seat 5: koiboi didn't bet (folded) Seat 6: sorluc (button) didn't bet (folded) I absolutely cannot BELIEVE he folded.. wow! Unreal, haha. EDIT: PS: I still can't find a WORKING hand history converter. All of the ones I have tried have said that this is an unrecognized format... odd... help maybe? lol at that fold...

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09-25-2006 10:48 PM #2
Xanadu View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date May 2005 Posts 969 Location st. paul, MO	I've seen this happen a few times. It is always surprising. I've seen the 3-bet river bluff after a capped turn with NPNK a few times too. nh

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09-26-2006 08:36 AM #3
pokerfanatic View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Aug 2004 Posts 1,791 Location 6max limit tables	Full Tilt Poker Limit Holdem Ring game Limit: $2/$4 6 players Converter Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is UTG+1 with A J UTG raises, Hero 3-bets, 4 folds, UTG caps, Hero calls. Flop: 8 J A (9.5SB, 2 players) UTG bets, Hero calls. Turn: 3 (5.75BB, 2 players) UTG bets, Hero raises, UTG 3-bets, Hero caps, UTG calls. River: 3 (13.75BB, 2 players) UTG bets, Hero raises, UTG folds. Uncalled bets: 1BB returned to Hero. Results: Final pot: 15.75BB hmm looks like the link i posted in a thread that says "READ BEFORE POSTING: Hand History Guidelines" works just fine http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...oker-33231.htm
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09-26-2006 10:46 AM #4
Hartlin View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Mar 2006 Posts 570	This is not a recognized hand history format. That is what I get every time. What part am I supposed to be pasting in there? o_O no idea why it won't work.. I've tried and tried and tried...

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09-26-2006 11:05 AM #5
pokerfanatic View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Aug 2004 Posts 1,791 Location 6max limit tables	Originally Posted by Pokerfanatic BisonBison Converter now customized on FTR: Click here. Multi Hand Converter: note: It says it's able to do many hands at once from the same site note: This converter will do HH from sites the above link can not handle http://www.neildewhurst.com/hand-converter/ there are 2 links... if the first one doesn't work... Originally Posted by PokerFanatic note: This converter will do HH from sites the above link can not handle i thought it was pretty clear that there were 2 different converters in this post maybe i was wrong... not trying to sound like an ass, but if my post is unclear i would like to reword it to where it is more obvious and easily understood...
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09-26-2006 07:07 PM #6
Hartlin View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Mar 2006 Posts 570	TESTING Full Tilt Poker Limit Holdem Ring game Limit: $2/$4 6 players Converter Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is UTG+1 with :ah :jd UTG raises, Hero 3-bets, 4 folds, UTG caps, Hero calls. Flop: :8h :jc :as (9.5SB, 2 players) UTG bets, Hero calls. Turn: :3s (5.75BB, 2 players) UTG bets, Hero raises, UTG 3-bets, Hero caps, UTG calls. River: :3h (13.75BB, 2 players) UTG bets, Hero raises, UTG folds. Uncalled bets: 1BB returned to Hero. Results: Final pot: 15.75BB

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09-26-2006 07:07 PM #7
Hartlin View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Mar 2006 Posts 570	TESTING Full Tilt Poker Limit Holdem Ring game Limit: $2/$4 6 players Converter Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is UTG+1 with :ah :jd UTG raises, Hero 3-bets, 4 folds, UTG caps, Hero calls. Flop: :8h :jc :as (9.5SB, 2 players) UTG bets, Hero calls. Turn: :3s (5.75BB, 2 players) UTG bets, Hero raises, UTG 3-bets, Hero caps, UTG calls. River: :3h (13.75BB, 2 players) UTG bets, Hero raises, UTG folds. Uncalled bets: 1BB returned to Hero. Results: Final pot: 15.75BB Still f'ed up.. lol

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09-26-2006 07:11 PM #8
kyc12 View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Jul 2006 Posts 90	use edit and preview functions on http://www.neildewhurst.com/hand-converter/ you have to choose FTR format from the options lower down the page. But I have difficulty loading it now

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09-26-2006 09:41 PM #9
elipsesjeff View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Jul 2004 Posts 4,863 Location Northern Virginia	http://poker-tools.flopturnriver.com/Hand-Converter.php I use this one, always works just fine.
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09-26-2006 10:04 PM #10
midas06 View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Jun 2005 Posts 3,418 Location NZ	you have to choose FTR, not whatever the default is

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09-26-2006 10:29 PM #11
pokerfanatic View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Aug 2004 Posts 1,791 Location 6max limit tables	Originally Posted by elipsesjeff http://poker-tools.flopturnriver.com/Hand-Converter.php I use this one, always works just fine. i think that one wont work for FTP hands... probably works for Stars though...
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09-27-2006 12:39 AM #12
Hartlin View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Mar 2006 Posts 570	Yeah, still doesn't work.. blah @ this... the OLD bisons converter worked for me..

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09-27-2006 12:56 PM #13
outphase View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Apr 2005 Posts 935	Full Tilt Poker Limit Holdem Ring game Limit: $2/$4 6 players Converter Pre-flop: (6 players) Hartlin is UTG+1 with A J UTG raises, Hartlin 3-bets, 4 folds, UTG caps, Hartlin calls. Flop: 8 J A (9.5SB, 2 players) UTG bets, Hartlin calls. Turn: 3 (5.75BB, 2 players) UTG bets, Hartlin raises, UTG 3-bets, Hartlin caps, UTG calls. River: 3 (13.75BB, 2 players) UTG bets, Hartlin raises, UTG folds. Uncalled bets: 1BB returned to Hartlin. Results: Final pot: 15.75BB Works for me
	Originally Posted by lambchopdc Lets stop talking ABC poker and move on to D, E, and F.
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09-27-2006 01:27 PM #14
Hartlin View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Mar 2006 Posts 570	I must be retarded then.. it doesn't work for me, good game life

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09-27-2006 02:25 PM #15
pokerfanatic View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Aug 2004 Posts 1,791 Location 6max limit tables	whatever getting back to the hand... sure he is an 85/50 but what does that tell you about his postflop play... nothing at all... an 85/50 can be a 0.5 or a 4.5 TAF postflop and they play completely different... with that said depending on where this preflop maniac happens to be classified, is the main decision of if i cap the turn or not, or even raise the flop est, basically the line i take... what i really don't get is why he donks into a turn capper then folds to a raise... i mean really, that's just plan dumb... hell if he had a pair of 8s though it's sadly obvious he is totally beat, the pot is so large it would be a even bigger mistake to muck for 1bb... of course this guy just plan doesn't think period... so i'm not sure what there is to talk about with this hand other then debating a flop and turn line... which would be like a 0.5bb EV or something... you can't understand a maniacs play because they have a totaly diffrent mind set then we do...
	“Dream as if you’ll live forever. Live as if you’ll die today.” ~ James Dean ~ "Poker is a lot like sex, peoples perceived ability usually blinds the truth" ~ me ~ "God bless him. Got to bet big to win big! GAMB00L!!!" ~ Fnord
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