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mojoNOgo

12-26-2005, 04:39 AM Post subject: would delayed aggressive save this flopped set ?

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Preflop: Hero is MP1 with 2

, 3

.
2 folds, UTG+2 calls, Hero calls, MP2 calls, CO calls, Button calls, SB raises, BB calls, UTG+2 calls, Hero calls, MP2 calls, CO calls, Button 3-bets, SB calls, BB calls, UTG+2 calls, Hero calls, MP2 calls, CO calls.

Flop: (21 SB) 7

, 3

(8 players)
SB bets, BB folds, UTG+2 raises, Hero 3-bets, MP2 folds, CO folds, Button calls, SB calls, UTG+2 calls.

Turn: (16.50 BB) T

(5 players)
SB checks, UTG+2 checks, Hero bets, Button calls, SB calls, UTG+2 calls.

River: (20.50 BB) 8

(5 players)
SB bets, UTG+2 folds, Hero raises, Button calls, SB 3-bets, Hero calls, Button calls.

Final Pot: 29.50 BB

Results in white below:
SB has 8c 8d (full house, eights full of threes).
Hero has 2s 3s (three of a kind, threes).
MP3 doesn't show.
Button has Js Jc (two pair, jacks and threes).
Outcome: SB wins 29.50 BB.
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if i call the flop and raise on the turn, would i have a better chance of people folding their pocket draws ?

would you play this hand as aggressively early ?

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12-26-2005, 04:59 AM

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you would've never saved your trips, now if you actually had a set (pocket pair + board), it'd be easier to mask given the board. but... you should fold preflop, else, the pot is too inflated to protect your hand at all.

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12-26-2005, 05:11 AM

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1) Fold Preflop
2) You have trips, not a set

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12-26-2005, 05:22 AM

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Holy shit what a fish fest.

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12-26-2005, 06:20 AM

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River: (20.50 BB) 8 (5 players)
SB bets, UTG+2 folds, Hero raises, Button calls, SB 3-bets, Hero calls, Button calls.

Results: [...]MP3 doesn't show.[...]

Where's MP3 in all of this.
Oh, and more to the point fold preflop.

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12-26-2005, 11:49 AM

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Is this play money??

Anyway.

Fold preflop.

Flat call flop.
3-bet turn.

It wouldn't have helped but anyway.

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12-26-2005, 02:44 PM

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WTF are you even in this hand?

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12-26-2005, 03:00 PM

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Hey, this flop call ain't that bad if he knows that this table is such a fishfest. I'd prefer he had T

, but these are some goot implied odds.

Yes, 23s UTG sucks balls, but 23s UTG knowing full well that 8 people are calling after you makes 23s UTG suck less balls.

He got unlucky that someone else hit the boat. Thats all.

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mojoNOgo

12-26-2005, 09:48 PM

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thanks for the responses !
i can now correctly use the terms 'trips'/'sets'

& i now know 23s is crap unless your LP
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'Hey, this flop call ain't that bad if he knows that this table is such a fishfest. I'd prefer he had TJ, but these are some goot implied odds.

Yes, 23s UTG sucks balls, but 23s UTG knowing full well that 8 people are calling after you makes 23s UTG suck less balls.

He got unlucky that someone else hit the boat. Thats all.'
^^ is this correct thinking ? if you have a draw preflop and for the hand the tables' loose, is it worth seeing the flop ?

i also thought i could bet people out of the pot on the flop ( i knew itd be unlikely with all the preflop action) yet i had to try. is this the correct action to protect my hand or am i pretty much toast as im most likely called to the river ?

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12-26-2005, 10:39 PM

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Well... first off theres no reason to raise the river at these stakes.

second, protecting this flop with a threebet is kind of a useless attempt. Anyone with a pocket pair is going to call anyway. A raise on the turn ain't bad.

This preflop call isn't horrible, IF YOU KNOW THAT IT WILL GO MULTIWAY. If youre at a tight table, this is a huge no-no. If you know its goin 8 way with this big ass pot... a call aint horrid. Note that youre fairly likely to make a second best hand.

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12-26-2005, 10:51 PM

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Even in large multiway pots, hands with a 2 or a 3 end up at the bottom end of the profit scale. usually, 45s or even 56s are the lowest I would ever play.

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