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Demiparadigm
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11-02-2005, 01:41 AM
Post subject: Worst mid limit advice ever?
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KoRnholio
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I really like the analysis of the AJ overcard hand, but his advice on the first one against "thinking opponents" is brutal. All a semi-bluff raise on the turn would likely do is either a) get 3bet in which case we need to hit to win for sure b) get him to check to us on the river (which he then may or may not call whether we hit or not). This really seems like a "lose the most, win the least" play to me.
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pokerfanatic
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I have never heard of this guy but i would sure like to see him actully play...
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Demiparadigm
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I hate the AJ hand also.
3 betting with no pair, no draw against a loose tricky player and a tight, solid raise is not something that I recommend adding to your game.
He also infers that folding a medium pair out of position with an overcard flop to a raise is "weak tight"
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elipsesjeff
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Meh, his strategy isn't so bad, i question the AJo hand moreso than the 9T.
Middle limit (and moving in the high limit) games are much much more aggressive. Thus, many players will fold to a turn raise much more often with a weak holding, like he said.
The flop 3-bet brings up a decent point, however, as long you buy yourself that free card. If you haven't played the 20/40 games at Party, they are MAD aggressive and filled with mostly multitabling rocks too afraid to move up to 30/60. Also, many of the 20/40 games are shorthanded (you'll hardly fine any full ring games) and thus they are even more shorthanded. Its in games like these, where the players who are more aggressive (play 6 max style play in full ring game) win the most money.
IMO, I dont think a fold here is a bad play in the AJo hand, but he is obviously behind and calling would be the worst play.
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Nehmer
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I've personally been having a lot of success lately occasionally semi-bluffing the turn instead of the flop vs Tags at 5/10 and can imagine that it works even better at higher limits, so I can't say I find his advice in hand 1 bad at all(though I've never played 20/40 or higher, so can't say for sure).
Hand 2 I am skeptical of, because we are building a pretty big pot that will make it tough for the Rock Solid player to fold his pair unless maybe if an A hits in which case we'd have him beat anyway.
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jmontis
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here's something to consider,.. he's what, 40 something years old? How long has he been playing middle limit games??? with his strategy no wonder he isn't playing higher stakes.
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take your ego out of the equation and judge the situation dispassionately
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Originally Posted by jmontis
here's something to consider,.. he's what, 40 something years old? How long has he been playing middle limit games??? with his strategy no wonder he isn't playing higher stakes.
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So what stakes do you have to play before you advice becomes worth listening to? Ed Miller usually plays between 10/20 and 30/60. Is his advice no good? Don't let the stakes someone plays be the determinant of the validity of their advice.
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TheXianti: (Triptanes) why are you not a thinking person?
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elipsesjeff
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Originally Posted by jmontis
here's something to consider,.. he's what, 40 something years old? How long has he been playing middle limit games??? with his strategy no wonder he isn't playing higher stakes.
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also consider table image his strategy isn't all that bad.. As long as he can defend h is point of view and he has results with it, I can't knock it, but that doesn't mean i'm going to do it either.
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Demiparadigm
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Originally Posted by DaNutsInYoEye
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Originally Posted by jmontis
here's something to consider,.. he's what, 40 something years old? How long has he been playing middle limit games??? with his strategy no wonder he isn't playing higher stakes.
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So what stakes do you have to play before you advice becomes worth listening to? Ed Miller usually plays between 10/20 and 30/60. Is his advice no good? Don't let the stakes someone plays be the determinant of the validity of their advice. |
I know Ed Miller has played 40/80 with Tommy Angelo "for fun"
I doubt he ever plays below 20/40.
I play mostly 5/10 online, and don't usually play below 20/40 in B&M.
But your point is good. Ed Miller has very good small stakes advice for a middle limit player.
jmontis is also right, in that Ed Miller is in his 20's, and still moving up.
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