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Old 08-12-2008, 01:14 AM     Post subject: Woops #1 (permalink)  
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After I did this, I realize it was probably terrible. Your thoughts?

(It's fine to say "yes, LeFou, that was terrible". I'm just now getting back in the game)

PokerStars Game #19547884888: 5 Card Draw Pot Limit ($0.50/$1.00) - 2008/08/11 - 21:10:06 (ET)
Table 'Knopfia IV' 6-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: Pat Jacks ($93.25 in chips)
Seat 2: D0nkitup ($117.55 in chips)
Seat 3: haez ($11.40 in chips)
Seat 4: hotstuff111 ($45.65 in chips)
Seat 5: NuWere ($100.90 in chips)
Seat 6: Rocker2812 ($55.30 in chips)
hotstuff111: posts small blind $0.50
NuWere: posts big blind $1
*** DEALING HANDS ***
Dealt to NuWere [6s 6c 6d 8s 3d]
Rocker2812: raises $2 to $3
Pat Jacks: folds
D0nkitup: folds
haez: folds
hotstuff111: folds
NuWere: calls $2
NuWere: discards 1 card [8s]
Dealt to NuWere [6s 6c 6d 3d] [5h]
Rocker2812: discards 1 card
NuWere: checks
Rocker2812: bets $5
NuWere: raises $16.20 to $21.20
Rocker2812: folds
Uncalled bet ($16.20) returned to NuWere
NuWere collected $15.70 from pot
NuWere: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $16.50 | Rake $0.80
Seat 1: Pat Jacks folded before the Draw (didn't bet)
Seat 2: D0nkitup folded before the Draw (didn't bet)
Seat 3: haez (button) folded before the Draw (didn't bet)
Seat 4: hotstuff111 (small blind) folded before the Draw
Seat 5: NuWere (big blind) collected ($15.70)
Seat 6: Rocker2812 folded after the Draw
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Old 08-12-2008, 01:15 AM #2 (permalink)  
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By terrible I mean, of course, that i'm only called if beaten. I'm looking to rep the busted-draw bluff, but meh.
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Old 08-12-2008, 01:48 AM #3 (permalink)  
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Smaller raise is fine.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBvge-c2_Xg
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Old 08-12-2008, 06:32 AM #4 (permalink)  
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 I'm just getting into 5cd but I have a couple questions/observations:

1. How standard is PF here, what hand/opponent does is take for you to 3bet PF?

2, Do you randomize which card your discard here? Obviously with trips is doesn't matter but it got me thinking that against a PF raise it'd be better to discard the higher card in your hand.

3. Play looks ok to me, I agree with a smaller raise. I might think leading something gayish, like $1.50 could work wonders against an aggressive player.

4. How often can villain (a) Have two pair with this bet? and (b) Call a full pot raise with it.
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Old 08-12-2008, 08:58 AM #5 (permalink)  
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 Why not reraise preflop ?


 
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Old 08-12-2008, 01:47 PM #6 (permalink)  
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I'm no expert either, but here:

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1. How standard is PF here, what hand/opponent does is take for you to 3bet PF?
In this instance, I'm going to rep a flush/straight draw (1 card), which obv means no reraise.

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2, Do you randomize which card your discard here? Obviously with trips is doesn't matter but it got me thinking that against a PF raise it'd be better to discard the higher card in your hand.
Yes, one throws the higher card ordinarily, but IMO this isn't important if the higher card is less than T.

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3. Play looks ok to me, I agree with a smaller raise. I might think leading something gayish, like $1.50 could work wonders against an aggressive player.
aye. my thinking is that we convince villain that we made the draw if we do that...

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4. How often can villain (a) Have two pair with this bet? and (b) Call a full pot raise with it.
a) not sure.. i sorta think of villain's $5 as a c-bet, but that's probably not a good instinct.
b) most of the time, if i do my job repping the bust
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 Why does it matter which card you discard ?


 
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Old 08-14-2008, 05:17 AM #8 (permalink)  
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'Cause when others are in the pot, esp. raising, you can assume a lot of the face cards are spoken for. Since you're not trying to outkick anyone with your trips, you're more likely to catch a 6, for example, than a King.
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