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Golden

03-14-2006, 09:02 PM Post subject: William Hill (Crypto) 6max problems

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I have been playing 6 max limit (1/2) on stars for approx 5000 hands and have a bb/100 of 4 (44%/11.5) which I know is on the high end of what is generally achievable but I feel as though I can continue to at least make 2bb/100 in the long term in these games. I then decided to give a rakeback deal a go and joined William Hill (crypto) and have been playing the 6max 0.5/1 game there and just cannot win. I have only played 2500 hands but my bb/100 is -8.00

the only thing I have noticed is that my VP$ is a bit higher at 47% on this site.

Has anyone else had problems with not being able to win on a certain site or am I just experiencing negative variance?

Any thoughts?

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03-14-2006, 09:44 PM

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Has anyone else had problems with not being able to win on a certain site or am I just experiencing negative variance?

Neither? If you have a vpip of 47% you have a serious leak.

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03-14-2006, 09:54 PM

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Golden

03-14-2006, 10:31 PM

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Can't seem to paste my PS stats in here but they are:
Apologies but how do I insert an image into the message box?

Stuart[/img]

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03-15-2006, 12:41 AM

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[img] your image here.jpg [/img]

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03-15-2006, 12:45 AM

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Can't seem to paste my PS stats in here but they are:
Apologies but how do I insert an image into the message box?

Stuart[/img]

Upload to a photo site first...I use http://imageshack.us

ArcticKnight

03-15-2006, 01:41 AM Post subject: Re: [url=http://www.flopturnriver.com/Referrals/William-Hill

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I have been playing 6 max limit (1/2) on stars for approx 5000 hands and have a bb/100 of 4 (44%/11.5) which I know is on the high end of what is generally achievable

Hi

44/12 is more than on the high-end of 6 max. It's unlikely (i'll say impossible) that even the very best online 6 max players could win long-term with 44/12. You'd have a better chance at 44/25, but that is NOT wise either.

Depending on your style and ability, you probably need to be between 20 to 26 VP and 15 to 20 PFR . Otherwise you will experience the very kind of wild swings you have described, but you'll see far fewer of the +BB/100 runs.

Don't be insulted, but a 44/12 player is exactly the kind of player that most good players want to play against and have position on. The reason is...

1. You play too many hands, so you will get isloated by tighter players with better hands.
2. Your aggression numbers are so low you are probably not getting the benefit of extra action when you do hold premium hole cards (because players will see your rare Pre-Flop Raises as having good holdings, and will not pay you off by chasing you down).

It's perhaps the worst mix possible having a high VP and a low PFR.

If you can't show stats then perhaps you can let us know what the worst hands are that you are opening with in each of the UTG, MP, CO, and Button positions. That could be a starting point to get you playing less hands, and playing those less hands more agressively.

Best of luck.

PS. The guy who told you 47% is too high (ElipsesJeff), plays about 1/2 as many hands as you do, and plays them almost twice as agressively.
He's doing the opposite of you on both VP and PFR, and is a solid winning player....He's plenty good enough post-flop to play more hands, but he doesn't (for a reason)...........something to think about.

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Golden

03-15-2006, 02:17 AM

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Thanks for the responses guys. I have finally worked out the image insertion thingy, appreciate the help. My stats are slightly different than what I stated earlier as had to go home and get them. Any further comments would be appreciated although I am aware that the sample sizes are fairly small.

Here are my Pokerstars Stats:

and my William Hill Stats:

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03-15-2006, 03:14 AM

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So if you extrapolate a bit - 4000 hands up 300, 2000 hands down 150 -- youre about even. I imagine thats where a lot of 40/20 players end up.

Your PFR is going to take a lot of pots down, your VPIP is going to cause you to lose a lot of pots. Stop calling raises from your blind so much, stop cold calling, and stop open-limping. That should solve a lot of it.

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ArcticKnight

03-15-2006, 03:48 AM

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Some thoughts on your 6 max stats.

You are running good in the SB, but playing way too many hands - 70% ?? It's kind of interesting that you are super loose in the SB, but no so in the BB.

It seems you play the 1st three positions similarly. You need to tighten up all positions considerably, and you should have a reasonable gap eventually between the first three positions. Maybe 2 or 3% between each.

You will naturally play more hands from the Button, but 10% more than the CO is a big jump.

As I noted, it would be nice to hear what you see is the weakest hands you would open with out of UTG, MP, CO and Button.

For example, many 6 max players won't play anything weaker than AJo or A9s out of UTG. It looks like you are playing a much broader range than that, and you are open limping which should be somewhere between seldom and never (and is something I need to work on myself)

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Golden

03-15-2006, 04:07 AM

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Thanks for the analysis

From early position I am playing any suited ace, K10,Q10,J10 type hands and any pair. I have been playing any ace on or near the button and commonly raise if no one has yet entered the pot.

Stuart

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03-15-2006, 04:09 AM

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My thoughts are as follows:

Part 1:

I) that VP$IP sucks ass

II) W$@SD is low, but given the VP$IP its high

III) Umm you Blind stats look very odd

IV) Probably playing too many hands from CO

V) You ran well

Part 2:

I) WOW, you defiantly make a lot of people here money if you played at higher levels

II) Double WOW this is full ring?

III) 40/20 might break even at 6max but will get chewed up and spit out every time at full ring... there is a reason we have "correct play"... it maximizes WINS...

Final Thoughts:

Get your full ring stats to 16-19 VP$IP then maybe think about 6max…

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03-15-2006, 04:27 AM

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one thing I noticed is that you are cold calling too frequently. What hands are you cold calling with? if you have an answer, it's likely to be too many

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