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09-07-2005, 05:17 PM
Post subject: Why you don't play non premiumd suited connectors in EP
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http://www.pokerhand.org/index.php?p...ew&hand=121282
This is why you don't play 2 gapped suited connectors in EP  .
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Fnord
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Fold pre-flop if you can't make it work post-flop. This just reeks of results-oriented thinking (as do your other posts.)
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Rondavu
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First in raise or fold. If you limp that with no pot in front of you, then you already screwed yourself. Drawing hands need odds and position. If you have neither, then you at least need representation. You chose to be dead money.
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It's not what's inside that counts. Have you seen what's inside?
Internal organs. And they're getting uglier by the minute.
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Fnord
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Dude it's .5/1. At a good and loose table (6+ to the flop regularly often for 1 bet, sometimes for 2) I'm limping this everytime.
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I don't get it. This hand would have gone down exactly the same way if you'd had pocket aces. The problem isn't the hand you held, it's the flop he hit and the fact that he slowplayed it expertly to get more money out of you and your loose cohorts. And that's not even really a problem, it's just bad luck.
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Rondavu
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Originally Posted by Fnord
Dude it's .5/1. At a good and loose table (6+ to the flop regularly often for 1 bet, sometimes for 2) I'm limping this everytime.
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I stand corrected. I would probably fold it preflop though. It's a drawing hand, and you can't use position to draw cheap.
I'll probably be posting some HH for you to check out Fnord. Trying to shore up my limit game to break bonuses with.
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It's not what's inside that counts. Have you seen what's inside?
Internal organs. And they're getting uglier by the minute.
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jmontis
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Originally Posted by Fnord
Dude it's .5/1. At a good and loose table (6+ to the flop regularly often for 1 bet, sometimes for 2) I'm limping this everytime.
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aren't 7:1 odds good enough for any hand, even 72o?
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take your ego out of the equation and judge the situation dispassionately
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dalecooper
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Depending how many are in the pot, maybe. But ideally you want to play a hand with good draw possibilities so that when you hit you can be fairly certain you're winning, and keep pumping in bets. The hands you will make with J9 suited are almost always going to be stronger than any hand you could make with 72o, except for the very rare ones (i.e. 772 or 777 or 222 or 227). With J9, if you flop 78T or 8TQ you have a very powerful hand - not only that, it's well-disguised enough that you can come out firing and maintain multiple callers who think they have a draw against you, even though they just have one pair or even just overcards.
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Fnord
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Originally Posted by jmontis
aren't 7:1 odds good enough for any hand, even 72o?
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You want to play starting cards that have potential to make hands strong enough to extract maximum value. 72o fails this test miserably.
Hold'em is a post-flop game. Even limit.
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you need 20:1 + implied odds to make 72o profitable (flop two pair or full house)
so call if the blind structure is 2/3 and you're in the SB
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jmontis
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by Fnord
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Originally Posted by jmontis
aren't 7:1 odds good enough for any hand, even 72o?
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You want to play starting cards that have potential to make hands strong enough to extract maximum value. 72o fails this test miserably.
Hold'em is a post-flop game. Even limit. |
ya i know, of course I don't play hands like 72o, i just never knew the "preflop odds" for such hands.
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take your ego out of the equation and judge the situation dispassionately
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