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Old 01-21-2005, 10:51 AM     Post subject: Who's the maniac here? #1 (permalink)  
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MP1 has been raising all kinds of garbage every now and then and been getting the best of the medium strength hands I had been 3-betting him with.

He pretty consistantly bets out any flop (but checks his monsters), but slows down after that.

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Preflop: Fnord is MP3 with A, 7.
UTG calls, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 folds, MP1 raises, MP2 folds, Fnord calls, CO folds, Button calls, SB folds, BB folds, UTG calls.

Flop: (9.33 SB) 2, 5, 3 (4 players)
UTG checks, MP1 bets, Fnord raises, Button folds, UTG folds, MP1 3-bets, Fnord calls.

Turn: (7.66 BB) 6 (2 players)
MP1 bets, Fnord raises, MP1 3-bets, Fnord calls.

River: (13.66 BB) 4 (2 players)
MP1 bets, Fnord raises, MP1 3-bets, Fnord caps, MP1 calls.

Final Pot: 21.66 BB

Results in white below:
MP1 has Ad Ac (straight, six high).
Fnord has Ah 7h (straight, seven high).
Outcome: Fnord wins 21.66 BB.
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Old 01-21-2005, 12:41 PM #2 (permalink)  
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Any fish could have read that you were on the backdoor double draw. WTF was he thinking betting into you? You dirty bastid
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You don't indicate whether the game was loose or tight. In my experience of playing Party 3/6 the games vary, but very few are loose enough to call a raise with Axs. Unless the game was regularly five-handed or more in raised pots, then IMO you should have folded preflop.

It doesn't matter that he'd been raising with a variety of strong and weak hands, because there was an EP limper in front of him. This guy could have been limping with a number of very strong hands.

Axs doesn't play well in raised pots, partly because your ace may be counterfeited if you hit top pair, and partly because raised pots tend to be short-handed. I'd fold unless I could be pretty certain the pot will be at least 5 handed. I think this is unlikely at 3/6.

Anyway, on the flop you have a backdoor straight draw, a non-nut gutshot and a backdoor nut flush draw. Your seven overcard is weak and your ace overcard may well be counterfeited. The pot is large enough to play here so you raise to protect your hand. I'd do the same.

I would have just called the turn though. You don't have a hand yet. You have a 12 out draw which is approximately 3:1 against so you can't raise for value here. If you were raising as a semibluff to try to fold him I don't think this will have much chance of working against this loose, aggressive player, particularly bearing in mind the way he played the flop.

Nice river!
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Old 01-21-2005, 04:58 PM #4 (permalink)  
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I also forgot to metion that UTG was a *really* bad player too. The rest of the table was really tight and letting me duke it out with the live ones without much disruption.

I guess this hand came down to the fact I had boarderline hand and likely position with 2 horrible players. Although if I was going to get cute, I really should have 3-bet...
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Old 01-21-2005, 06:37 PM #5 (permalink)  
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well i'm sure a runner-runner double gutshot will do wonders for your table image

Its a hell of a hand fnord, the stars lined up for you on this one.
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I love his 3-bet on the river... repping the 78? I mean it's one thing to not believe you have your gut shot--- but the board beat him!
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