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Humphrind

11-05-2004, 12:09 AM Post subject: Whew

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I haven't had a hand this tough in a while.

Party Poker 1/2 Hold'em (8 handed)

Preflop: Humphrind is UTG with Q

, Q

. CO posts a blind of $1.
Humphrind raises, UTG+1 folds, MP1 folds, MP2 calls, CO (poster) 3-bets, Button folds, SB calls, BB folds, Humphrind caps, MP2 calls, CO calls, SB calls.
I normally wouldn't cap pre-flop with QQ. But I really wanted to narrow down the field. Namely SB and MP2

Flop: (17 SB) 3

, 4

, J

(4 players)
SB checks, Humphrind bets, MP2 calls, CO raises, SB folds, Humphrind 3-bets, MP2 folds, CO caps, Humphrind calls.
Again, I want to get MP2 out of this. But I'm started to get scared of what CO has

Turn: (13 BB) 4

(2 players)
Humphrind checks, CO bets, Humphrind calls.
Big pot, so I go into check/call mode. I'm not dropping my overpair. But how many hands would CO cap pre-flop and on the flop? I have to be beat. Right?

River: (15 BB) 3

(2 players)
Humphrind checks, CO checks.

I don't know what they have to say
It makes no difference anyway.
Whatever it is...
I'm against it.

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11-05-2004, 12:41 AM

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very interesting hand indeed...i can't see how any of them can call with a suited A, let alone any hand with a 3 or 4 in it. the most likely candidates of hands they can have is AA, KK, QQ, JJ.

my guess is someone had one of those hands.

lonnie

11-05-2004, 12:58 AM

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Quote:

AA, KK, QQ, JJ.

I just can't see him having one of these hands at NOT betting the river. Humphrind was not representing a 3 or 4. Assuming he is new to the table and you have no read on him

He's firing with AJ and you take the pot down.

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11-05-2004, 01:01 AM

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Should I have continued raising / capping at the turn and river?

I don't know what they have to say
It makes no difference anyway.
Whatever it is...
I'm against it.

lonnie

11-05-2004, 01:07 AM

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Should I have continued raising / capping at the turn and river?

No. In my opinion you played the hand fine. If I were in that hand, I would be thinking AA or KK all the way up til the point he checked through the river. You didn't have that info at the time of course.

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11-05-2004, 05:26 AM

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You gonna post the result Hump? I'm curious.

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11-05-2004, 05:31 AM

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the entire history is just weird. one of them could of had the big pocket pairs and they were afraid because any 3 or 4 will beat them, and given the action they probably think someone has it.

since humph was so aggressive up until the turn, the other guy mighta been afraid of a checkraise on the river, so he checks it through.

actually, AJ is a pretty good guess lhoney. it's definitely good enough to cap preflop after so many raises and reraises, and when the J hits, gotta raise and reraise with that. or maybe he had AKs or KQs or something like that, and they were semibluffing for the flush.

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11-05-2004, 05:38 AM

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CO had AKo. I won the pot. He probably felt he had an OK chance to take it down on the turn. Then decided to check the river when he missed it all.

I don't know what they have to say
It makes no difference anyway.
Whatever it is...
I'm against it.

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11-05-2004, 11:24 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Humphrind

CO had AKo.

I think it's in the official fishy poker playbook to go nuts with a missed AKo on the flop. Even when you're certainly against an overpair. The turn bet is silly too, destroys whatever value was left from raising/capping the flop in position. I see otherwise tight/passive players do this all the time and it just boggles the mind...

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11-05-2004, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by hypermegachi

the entire history is just weird. one of them could of had the big pocket pairs and they were afraid because any 3 or 4 will beat them, and given the action they probably think someone has it.

It's just the opposite. Because of all the pre-flop action, any 3 or 4 is very unlikley. What hand would someone have held onto a 3 or 4? Even pocket 3s or pocket 4s are iffy with all that pre-flop action. The only likely situation is SB or MP2 held onto a 3 or 4 because they are VERY fishy and see every flop. But since they are out of the hand at the turn, they are not the concern. Also, when the 3 and 4 paired up is when the action started going down-hill. I never worried about any 3 or 4.

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Originally Posted by Fnord

I see otherwise tight/passive players do this all the time and it just boggles the mind...

It is natural to turn a good starting hand into a bluff after the flop or turn. But can't they realize when it's the wrong time to bluff? Oh well, I shouldn't complain. I'm the one with the money.

I don't know what they have to say
It makes no difference anyway.
Whatever it is...
I'm against it.

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11-05-2004, 09:41 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Humphrind

It is natural to turn a good starting hand into a bluff after the flop or turn. But can't they realize when it's the wrong time to bluff? Oh well, I shouldn't complain. I'm the one with the money.

when you're constrained by how much you can bet (in limit), the "great starting hand, missed flop semi bluff" is just not very effective in lower stakes limit. and yet, people just can't let it go...

you played the hand well, and i agree with your slowdown. i also agree that the CO couldn't of had a 3 or 4 (he would have bet the river if he did).

oh, and next time you don't want to cap it preflop with QQ, me and a can of whop-ass will be coming to KC to talk to you! :P

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