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tbone
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06-07-2006, 06:27 PM
Post subject: Where is the money gone?
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I was jsut wandering if any one else is finding this true or jsut me. Ive been playing low limit 2/4 3/6 for a few years now. My equation is Good table selections + Bad players + good cards = money. Now i have no idea if im a good player or not but ihavebeen in hte green now for the last two years little over 2bb/100 hands. But it seems lately finding good tables nad bad players is getting harder and harder. When i first started playing i read where most of your money will come from players calling more then 40% of their hands and I can say i totally agree. Im in the 17% VPIP. Ive got a Post Flop of 2 so I might be overally agrressive but it has won me money against those players over the last two years. But now it seems at PP every one and their brothe is arounf only 20-25% VPIP. So i tightened up even more. Im around 15%VPIP and man it seems harder and harder ot make a buck. So i jsut tried a few 5/10 tables and shit its even tighter their. So where has all the money gone. Is the money in hte SnGs now?
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outphase
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The money went to 6max ages ago :P I've seen this happen as i played 2/4 at stars for a while until i moved up to 3/6 where it's a rock garden.
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Originally Posted by lambchopdc
Lets stop talking ABC poker and move on to D, E, and F.
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KoRnholio
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I too have noticed this. A year ago I was working a shitty summer job 7am-3pm, coming home to 3 or 4-table 2/4-3/6 for a couple hours and absolutely killing the games. Now I am still playing the same limits, but I don't even know if I'm playing breakeven poker before bonuses.
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Some days it feels like I've been standing forever, waiting for the bank teller to return so I can cash in all these Sklansky Bucks.
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Fnord
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If you enjoy full ring LHE games with lots of terrible players, you either need to hunt down small online sports books or play live.
Even when I sit down at 5/10, it's often a contest to see who can bust the sucker or two first.
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pokerfanatic
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06-07-2006, 08:03 PM
Post subject: Re: Where is the money gone?
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Originally Posted by tbone
I was jsut wandering if any one else is finding this true or jsut me. Ive been playing low limit 2/4 3/6 for a few years now.
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Wow years, I wouldn't be able to handle that shit... I’m type of guy that wants to beat the biggest games I can... so that's what I push towards... my BR rules reflect the fact that I want to keep moving up and have smaller and smaller risk however…
i personaly don't like FR anymore... 6max is in my blood anymore, but whatever fits your playing style that's cool...
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euphoricism
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The full ring games at both party and stars are D. E. A. D.
Learn sixmax, or take fnords advice and find smaller sportsbooks types. Or both.
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jmontis
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Originally Posted by Fnord
Even when I sit down at 5/10, it's often a contest to see who can bust the sucker or two first.
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ya i say the same thing about 5-10 and the occasional 10-20 game. They almost never last more than an hour, and if it does, the weak players go bust and it turns into a rock garden, with the occasional weak players hit and running.
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take your ego out of the equation and judge the situation dispassionately
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tbone
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Join Date: Oct 2004
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Why is 6max more profitable at the same limits. Is it becuase most people who start out playing them are playing a full ring style and dont adapt.
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midas06
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Because all the action junkie/ loose passive's are playing there.
If there were 70/5's playing at full ring we'd still be playing there.
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tbone
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06-08-2006, 02:06 PM
Post subject: Where is the money
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If its not in the 2/4 3/6 or 5/10 where are all the fish. Is there more action on higher limit tables or is it tighter. Or is it in the NL.
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pokerfanatic
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Originally Posted by tbone
Why is 6max more profitable at the same limits. Is it becuase most people who start out playing them are playing a full ring style and dont adapt.
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you have no idea what 6max is like if you think this...
0.5/1 might be that way but say a typical 40/10 at FR gets into a 6 max game thjere stats are usaully more around 60/20... for some reason fish become even worse...
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Originally Posted by tbone
If its not in the 2/4 3/6 or 5/10 where are all the fish. Is there more action on higher limit tables or is it tighter. Or is it in the NL.
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again 2/4 6max is a huge donk fest, 3/6 is no bettor, 5/10 is full of super argo dumb asses, and well 10/20 is just as bad as the rest... the action at limit is in 6max no way to get around that...
you want to play FR play NL...
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“Dream as if you’ll live forever. Live as if you’ll die today.” ~ James Dean ~
"Poker is a lot like sex, peoples perceived ability usually blinds the truth" ~ me ~
"God bless him. Got to bet big to win big! GAMB00L!!!" ~ Fnord
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outphase
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what i don't understand is why the some players playing relatively standard games FR play like terrible fish in 6max... then again, why question
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Originally Posted by lambchopdc
Lets stop talking ABC poker and move on to D, E, and F.
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pokerfanatic
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Originally Posted by outphase
what i don't understand is why the some players playing relatively standard games FR play like terrible fish in 6max... then again, why question
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most players that play FR and then go to 6max understand that in 6max you need to play more hands and more hands are +EV... however they adjust why to much and always think someone is bluffing at them... but we wont go into great detail behind the psychology of a bad 6max player...
given there is no real "whole book" dedicated to 6max it's usually a chapter if it is even in a book, you can't get into the kinds of detail that I would except to play 6max well, anyways, enough said...
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“Dream as if you’ll live forever. Live as if you’ll die today.” ~ James Dean ~
"Poker is a lot like sex, peoples perceived ability usually blinds the truth" ~ me ~
"God bless him. Got to bet big to win big! GAMB00L!!!" ~ Fnord
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T.M
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Join Date: Nov 2005
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i thought i was alone on this issue. I got so sick of it i started playing SNG's, and what do ya know, i get 7 1st places 2 2nd's and a 3rd in the first 10 SNG's i played. I still love playing cash games tho, but my 6-max experience is poor, i either leave down or break even. Can anyone recommend some 6-max articles or book or anything to give me an edge to beat the 6-max games? I am getting board of full ring aswell.
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Harry
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If you still want to play full ring you could play Limit SNGs. I watched one at Party the other day and it might as well have been a play money table.
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PSU Class of 2011 weeeeeeee!
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Xanadu
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There is a website called beat6max.com I looked some of it over, and it seems fairly decent. It's at least a starting place to look some stuff over. Pretty extensive advice for most aspects of the game, and for the most part, the advice seems pretty solid. There is even some advice for FR players who are uncomfortable playing a looser game, and how they should play if they want to play tighter than what is generally recommended for 6max.
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T.M
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Join Date: Nov 2005
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thanks for the link, it will be a while before i can grasp all the info, but im lookin forward to the new challenge and become better in general.
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arkitekton
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I'm a little late to this thread, but...
I also found the lower limit games at Party tough to do much at. Like tbone I found that the VP$IP in games with stakes above $.50/$1 was typically right around 25%. Seems to me that with the easy availablity of helpful books and forums on the subject of full ring hold 'em it's easy for most players to get to the point where they're not awful. I'm not saying it's easy to become a good, solid player, but it has gotten pretty easy to learn enough quickly enough to not be a big loser. The dividing line seemed to occur between stakes of .50/$1 and $1/$2. At the latter stakes there's a fair amount of competence--most players seem aware of positional raises, often check-raise, don't bluff too often, and so on. You rarely see five players in on an unraised preflop pot. At .50/$1, on the other hand, there's usually not a lot of raising, are only a few tricky players, people will routinely call to the river with next to nothing, and there's not much preflop raising so it's easy to play smaller suited connectors and one-gaps, suited Aces and Kings, and small pairs for profit. At .50/$1 it's almost impossible to lose even with bad luck and bad cards. Above that, it's a 1-3 bb/100 grind at full ring games.
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