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TylerK
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07-19-2005, 02:01 PM
Post subject: Where do I get away from this hand?
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The river is probably ignorable. I was going to make a crying call for one bet out of frustration, but then I realized too late that was dumb and folded for one more back to me. Pay 1BB to the tilt gods.
On the flop I'm betting to try to get a fold or 2, even 1 helps me in this huge pot.
On the turn am I pretty much stuck?
On the river I think that even though the pot is huge I have approximately 0% chance of being good and I should just fold to any bet.
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Preflop: Hero is MP3 with A , K .
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, 1 fold, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, Hero raises, CO calls, 1 fold, SB calls, 1 fold, UTG 3-bets, UTG+1 folds, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, Hero caps, CO calls, SB calls, UTG calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls.
Flop: (26 SB) Q , 7, 3 (6 players)
SB checks, UTG checks, MP1 checks, MP2 checks, Hero bets, CO calls, SB raises, UTG calls, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, Hero calls, CO calls.
Turn: (17 BB) 6 (4 players)
SB bets, UTG calls, Hero calls, CO raises, SB calls, UTG calls, Hero calls.
River: (25 BB) 4 (4 players)
SB checks, UTG bets, Hero calls, CO raises, SB calls, UTG calls, Hero folds.
Final Pot: 32 BB
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did you notice UTG limped 3bet?
anywho, i'd probably check the flop through. the pot is humongous, you have nothing for pot equity, and next to no chance in buying the button.
i check the flop and go from there. most likely call it down, and fold the river to 1 bet, even seeing the disgusting pot size.
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TylerK
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Yes, UTG is a complete tard and could have pretty much any 2 cards.
CO seems decent.
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TylerK: its just gambling if i want to worry about money i'll go to work lol
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A'aag
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Does UTG have A5? That's the kind of hand I see limp/reraised more than any other..."Oh yeah? I reraise at you!"
If anywhere, I can see folding the turn after CO raises, but then again the pot is laying you ridiculous odds, so meh. Yeah bad river call.
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TylerK
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Originally Posted by A'aag
Does UTG have A5? That's the kind of hand I see limp/reraised more than any other..."Oh yeah? I reraise at you!"
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Pocket fours actually...I don't think giving that away detracts from the discussion at all, but yeah. Complete tard.
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Originally Posted by A'aag
If anywhere, I can see folding the turn after CO raises, but then again the pot is laying you ridiculous odds, so meh. Yeah bad river call.
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Yeah, I wanted to fold but I just couldn't justify folding 2 overcards getting like 24:1.
I shouldn't have posted the river anyway, but anyway. It's been going badly for a while, I'm cranky.
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TylerK: its just gambling if i want to worry about money i'll go to work lol
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elipsesjeff
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I could possibly find a fold on the turn here, but if your reads that they were complete 'tards then you didn't do anything wrong.
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koolmoe
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As previously stated, check the flop. Nobody you want to fold will, and someone has a piece of the board.
The river is an easy fold when UTG wakes up after the turn action.
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chardrian
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Besides checking the flop, anyone else go for just calling the 3 bet pre-flop or with so many people now forced in this pot is it a definite cap to get value there?
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KoRnholio
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Originally Posted by elipsesjeff
I could possibly find a fold on the turn here, but if your reads that they were complete 'tards then you didn't do anything wrong.
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I agree.. but even if the table is full of wankers, given the action it's possible someone already has two pair. There's also probably at least one hanger-oner with A7 or A3, which would leave you drawing for just three kings left in the deck..
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Fnord
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River looks like raise or fold to me.
Stop auto-betting this flop into big fields with AK unimproved.
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jmontis
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Originally Posted by Fnord
River looks like raise or fold to me.
Stop auto-betting this flop into big fields with AK unimproved.
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yea, i check this every time, unless i'm heads up and maybe 3 way
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juke0414
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The reason so many great players prefer AK over even AA or KK is because if you don't hit, it's easy to get away from. I would definitely advocate folding the turn here unimproved. Beyond that, many people don't realize that while AK is a monster in most cases, it is just about the MOST sensitive starting hand to multiway action. If you can't isolate to two or three callers preflop with this hand then it's strength is massively diminished. I would probably check this on the flop and fold on the turn. The automatic flop bet isn't worth it because you're out of position and it's 6-way.
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juke0414
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I take that last part of my last post back- you were in good enough position to auto-bet on the flop, but I still don't think it's worth it 6-handed.
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elipsesjeff
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Originally Posted by Fnord
Stop auto-betting this flop into big fields with AK unimproved.
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I like his autobet here. More than often, he wont get check raised and he will get checked to on the turn.
Its his Turn call that should be gone.
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juke0414
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I would slightly disagree with elipsesjeff here. With a field and pot this large you can count on at least two callers to an autobet on the flop. If you improve you are almost certainly only going to improve to top pair/top kicker and your callers in a loose field such as this can quite possibly improve with you. A checkraise on the flop isn't out of the question if any villians hit two pair or better considering the hero capped preflop. Good players know a flop bet by a preflop raiser means nothing and I wouldn't do it with AK unimproved 6 handed.
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Fnord
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Originally Posted by elipsesjeff
I like his autobet here.
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Not against typical online opposition at 2/4 or greater. He won't get the cheap turn card as often (he'll draw a donk bet too often) as he'll sneak one past the flop c/r. I also like taking the chance to show that I'm not too easy of a check/raise bitch. Take the free card and run!
However, if this is the ulta-passive B&M game where there will be 1 bet and 1 bet only (called by everyone) on every street unless thou hast the near nuts; then I like the bet planning to check behind on the turn.
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