Originally Posted by rowhousepd

Newbie question here about LIMIT Holdem:

I think I understand how & why to calculate odds on the flop to improve your hand on the turn when deciding whether to call a bet or fold. But what I'm not sure about is how/when you would use your odds to make your hand on by the river. I've been playing with the former calculations for situations like this:

I'm in late position against three opponents and make middle pair with a rainbow flop (one is the same suit as my suited hold cards). The first to act bets, and I put him on top pair or an overpair; one person folds, the other calls.

Normally, I'd think I have 5 outs at this point to either make trips or two pair of the turn to beat the villain's pair, which would require better than 8.5 pot odds to make the call. But I've also flopped a back door flush draw here, which means I'm a little less than 2:1 to hit my flush by the river. And that's a big difference.

So the question here is.... which odds to I use to determine what I do -- the 8.5:1 odds to hit trips or 2 pair on the turn, or the 2:1 odds to hit my back door flush by the river? I think people the latter sometimes, but perhaps it's different in FLHE vs NLHE. I've been almost exclusively using the odds for the turn. Is that a bad idea?

Originally Posted by LawDude

Listen to Chopper. Also, any time a player does the "free card play" against you, take a note. If the same player raises the flop against you again on a wet board when you probably have the best hand, just call the raise and donk the turn if they don't hit their draw. They love that.

Originally Posted by Chopper

so, loosely (and not assuming turn betting for the second half of the rule), you get 5:1 on the flop and 3:1 by the river.