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andr3w321
Old 07-10-2006, 10:59 PM     Post subject: when to give up #1 (permalink)  
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Ya so I'm a limit noob who plays 5/10 every once in awhile. At what point do you lay this one down? The donkeys kept on juicing the pot with a lone Q or worse.

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Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is Button with Q♠ K♥
UTG raises, UTG+1 calls, CO folds, Hero 3-bets, SB folds, BB calls, UTG caps, UTG+1 calls, Hero calls, BB calls.


Flop: J♠ T♦ 9♣ (16.4SB, 4 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero bets, BB calls, UTG raises, UTG+1 calls, Hero calls, BB calls.


Turn: K♣ (12.2BB, 4 players)
BB checks, UTG bets, UTG+1 raises, Hero calls, BB 3-bets, UTG caps, UTG+1 calls, Hero calls, BB calls.


River: 4♠ (28.2BB, 4 players)
BB bets, UTG raises, UTG+1 calls, Hero calls, BB calls.


Results:
Final pot: 36.2BB
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Old 07-11-2006, 12:25 AM #2 (permalink)  
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Get as many bets as you can in on the flop, I call down after the K hits on the turn.
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Old 07-11-2006, 12:40 AM #3 (permalink)  
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Preflop would depend on the stats of both UTG players.

Why no flop 3bet?? You have a licence to print money.

And what's with UTG's cap, c/r.
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Old 07-11-2006, 03:33 AM #4 (permalink)  
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The pre-flop 3-bet is okay if you have a read on UTG and UTG+1.

Keep pounding on the flop. You are missing out on value by trying to slowplay this one.

I think calling down the turn and river is okay. And Q might cap this turn, and a set might also.
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Old 07-11-2006, 01:46 PM #5 (permalink)  
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Get as many bets as you can in on the flop, I call down after the K hits on the turn.
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Old 07-11-2006, 05:36 PM #6 (permalink)  
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i think you played the hand poorly...

i think i still raise the turn... you have to put pressure on someone that hit a BD FD or something... i also think i raise it on the flop once 3 or 4 people with 2 bets in you have the nuts RAM IT... they are not folding after they put in 2 bets and the pot is already so large i just ram and jam my nut hand...
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Old 07-14-2006, 02:34 AM #7 (permalink)  
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I called the flop raise with the intention of raising the turn because I knew he would lead into me. It was a rainbow flop so I wasn't too afraid of any flushes hitting. Next time however, I will jam the flop and call down like you say.

As far as raising the turn goes I think that's just bad, its clear that this is either a split/lose pot and I want a cheap showdown that I'm not getting allowed by the opponents here which is why I was questioning the call down.

Here's what was mucked. Strange that all 4 queens were out there.

Seat 1: bigmike5253 (big blind) mucked [9h Qh]
Seat 2: Custom02 showed [Qc Ah] and won ($359) with a straight, Ten to Ace
Seat 3: HeavensTouch mucked [6d Qd]
Seat 4: NotThatPhil folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: andr3w321 (button) mucked [Qs Kh]
Seat 6: fold_foo (small blind) folded before Flop
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Old 07-16-2006, 06:25 AM #8 (permalink)  

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i definately raise on flop and the turn. most people will just end up calling with something stupid like midpair tryign to catch a two pair or a gutsh0t, if not they will scare some passive people that are drawing so they;'ll fold. aggression is key, selective aggression. and i think the flop and turn are good spots to pop in the raises.
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