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ArcticKnight

02-22-2006, 02:19 AM Post subject: When fold equity butts heads with a free card opportunity

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The discussion about equity prompted me to think about a very common situation in LHE.

Let's say it's a 6 max game and it's folded to the CO who raises, and you
3 bet on the button with AKo, The blinds fold.

So, you have position on a guy who is a typical player (32/17 or that range) Not loose or tight, not agro or passive.

The flop comes 5h 8d Js. The CO checks to you, and calls your bet.

The turn comes 2c.......and the CO checks to you

This is where fold equity versus taking a free card butt heads...

The free card has advantages which are obvious (its free!!), but it also shows weakness and the CO can often safely bet the river if an A,K or Q doesn't fall. Plus, you have no fold equity with the turn check (at least on that street). Some times this play makes you money, some time it loses you money.

On the fold equity side, betting back into the CO can result in a C/R, a fold, or a call. The call is tough to deal with, as we all know, because if we miss our 6 outs on the river we are in a tough spot.

Anyway, I usually just try and play this instinctively based on my opponent and the board. Lots of players will pay a SB to see the flop, but will fold to a turn bet from a 3-better. If they raise your the decision is easier, but it's the call/call that throws me off.

Anyone have any thoughts on this or very simiar hands when you give up the fold equity for a free card, and vice versa. In many cases I see aggressive players just pound this through to the river, but other players play it otherwise.

Thoughts??

I realize that this is a "depends" question, but any discussion around this can't hurt....

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outphase

02-22-2006, 04:14 AM

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Most of the time, if I've bet with AK unimproved on the turn, I'm likely to check along at the river to win the most/lose the least. Sometimes I check the turn against some opps cause I know they're setting up a c/r

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dsaxton

02-22-2006, 05:58 AM

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I think betting the turn also has benefits in terms how your opponents view your play. If you get caught, your opponents will see you're capable of playing whiffed overcards like an overpair. Just something else to think about.

elipsesjeff

02-22-2006, 06:28 AM

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As you said, this is very player dependant and i get a feel for a lot of these situations. Against a player capable of a turn check/raise bluff or even semibluff, I'll check the turn and autocall the river (without even flinching). I find I'll get many busted overcards to try to steal the pot from me on the river, and usually its the same players that would check/raise the turn that will bluff the river as well. There will be times when a Q or T will hit the river, its possible to safely fold this scare card as the number of hands they would raise in EP that doesnt have you beat at this point is extremely minimal.

BUT, that doesnt mean I do this always. if I have done this a couple times before and have shown overcards on the same table, I will then bet the turn in the same situation and will get folds more often. You'd be surprised at how many pots you can pick up on the turn though c-betting as opposed to checking behind.

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