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elipsesjeff

10-30-2004, 09:36 PM Post subject: When to call, fold

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After reading about Fnord's 13 calls in 6000 hands I am very curious on how he does this.

Out of 6034 hands (at 3 limits), I've cold called 61 hands with 25 of them different. This is with me not counting the limp-ins.

At the 1/2 table, in 2211 hands, I've cold called 22 hands with 15 unique.
At .50/1, 1641 hands, 12 hands with 8 unique
At .25/.5, 2182 hands, 27 hands with 17 unique.

I'll only post the 1/2 because those are the only relevant right now:

AQs-1 (He raised with K8, same suit as me, ended up flopping trip 8s)
AQo-4 (Lost to A3s, caught a 3, and another to KK, caught river)
ATs-1 (Had right read, guy raised with A9s, folded-post flop to trips)
ATo-1 (Lost to AJo)
A9s-1 (Won with Pair of 9s)
KQs-1 (Won with Pair of K's, but over-aggressive player made me check-call)
K9s-1 (folded post-flop, unsure of opponent, bad play)
QJo-2 (I had no business in either, have since stopped playing)
JJ-1 (My biggest loser of all hands, lost trips to runner runner straight)
TT-1 (Folded Post flop, KK won)
99-4 (All losers, Check-called to QQ down to river, folded post flop otherwise)
88-1 (Fold post-flop)
66-1 (Cold-Called 3-bet pre-flop, bad play)
55-1 (Lost to A9 with guy catching 9 on river)
33-1 (Had a read, but the board two-paired so the guy won with A-high)

As you can see I've won a total 4 times out of these 22 hands. I'm guessing my biggest problem is folding Pocket Pairs to PFRs.

Yesterday alone, out of 294 Hands I cold-called twice, with TT and K9s.

This isn't counting limping with Axs and K8us, or suited connectors.

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10-30-2004, 10:04 PM

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AQs-1 (He raised with K8, same suit as me, ended up flopping trip 8s)
AQo-4 (Lost to A3s, caught a 3, and another to KK, caught river)
ATs-1 (Had right read, guy raised with A9s, folded-post flop to trips)
ATo-1 (Lost to AJo)
A9s-1 (Won with Pair of 9s)
KQs-1 (Won with Pair of K's, but over-aggressive player made me check-call)
K9s-1 (folded post-flop, unsure of opponent, bad play)
QJo-2 (I had no business in either, have since stopped playing)

The only hands out of these that I would consider cold-calling a PFR are: ATs and KQs, and only if there are a couple of callers already in the pot. I would think you would need at least 4 way action to make these hands profitable. The offsuit stuff is probably too dominated to play. These are general opinion, knowing nothing of the opps at these tables.

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JJ-1 (My biggest loser of all hands, lost trips to runner runner straight)
TT-1 (Folded Post flop, KK won)
99-4 (All losers, Check-called to QQ down to river, folded post flop otherwise)
88-1 (Fold post-flop)

I don't have a problem cold calling or possibly re-raising these depending on your opp's raising requirements.

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66-1 (Cold-Called 3-bet pre-flop, bad play)
55-1 (Lost to A9 with guy catching 9 on river)
33-1 (Had a read, but the board two-paired so the guy won with A-high)

I would not cold-call these raises unless there are a LOT of people in the pot to pay me off if I make a set.

Trikflow77

03-09-2005, 02:24 PM

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03-09-2005, 02:59 PM

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most of your decisions to fold, call, or raise a preflop raise should take into consideration, who raised, your position, and your position with respect to the raiser. i dont think cold calling a raise to your right is necessarily bad. if, for example, you hold AQs, youre in late position, and somone to your right raises, you might cold call if you have him on a PP and try to catch an A on the flop, or 3 bet a loser opponent. to set one set of rules for playing a hand against a raise would be too general. however, i would caution playing unsuited, medium value hands, ie QJo, possibly even ATo. i often fold 66-22 against a PFR if the pot is going to be small.

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Originally Posted by trikflow77

bump

for a moment i thought jeff was smokin crack or somethin playin 1/2....

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03-09-2005, 03:04 PM

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elipsesjeff

03-09-2005, 05:29 PM

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Yeah, this plugged a HUGE leak in my game back when I sucked.

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Trikflow77

03-09-2005, 07:14 PM

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just wanted to rib ya a little bit, you come an awful long way in 6 months.

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03-10-2005, 02:35 PM

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I was wondering WTF you were doing cold-calling ATo

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elipsesjeff

03-10-2005, 04:33 PM

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just wanted to rib ya a little bit, you come an awful long way in 6 months.

Heh, thanks, actually, you should go back to august, those are some fun posts

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03-10-2005, 07:12 PM

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Yea, the only one that actually made me laugh was your theory of not losing as much at a table that you had been at for a while compared to a new table. It was locked, so I couldn't bump it.

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03-11-2005, 02:23 AM

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I think the last time I cold called a raise in limit was in January.
Reraise or fold. ( I tend toward reraising, but, I am a maniac)

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