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Old 08-21-2008, 12:32 PM     Post subject: When all logic goes out the window... #1 (permalink)  
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This just goes to show how the micros are a different world, where logic does not apply, where you should rarely bluff, and value bet 6th pair.
Some of us recently had some downswings, but these kind of hands should cheer us up:

1/2 Limit Holdem
6 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG ($95.25)
UTG 1 ($53.00)
CO ($19.37)
BTN ($112.00)
SB ($41.63)
Hero ($66.00)

Pre-flop: (1.5 SB, 6 players) Hero is BB
2 folds, CO calls, 2 folds, Hero checks

Flop: (2.5 SB, 2 players)
Hero checks, CO checks

Turn: (1.2 BB, 2 players)
Hero bets, CO calls

River: (3.2 BB, 2 players)
Hero bets, CO calls

Final Pot: 5.2 BB
Hero shows:
CO shows:

Hero wins 5.0 BB ( won 2.5 BB )
CO lost 2.5 BB
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Old 08-21-2008, 12:59 PM #2 (permalink)  
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Standard call-down with 3 high imo. You could be bluffing.
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Old 08-21-2008, 01:55 PM #3 (permalink)  
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Old 08-22-2008, 02:18 AM #4 (permalink)  
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Raise pre! Bet Flop!
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Old 08-22-2008, 04:13 AM #5 (permalink)  
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Raise pre! Bet Flop!
no raise pre!
yes bet flop!

i should've bet the flop, true, but raising pf would've been a mistake.
Raising PF would be the play against a normal villain in a normal game.
The logic behind this is that against a normal foe, you raise, c-bet any flop and hope to take down the pot, having some kind of a hand to fall back on, or giving up, if you get action.
This kind of villain will go to showdown 100% of the time, so c-bets will not work, only valuebets will.
By keeping the pot small PF you forsake a tiny bit of value but can play perfectly postflop while making his errors bigger.
He will call down your valuebets 100% of the time, but he will be making bigger mistakes on a small pot even when he is drawing live because of poor pot odds.
Furthermore, when you whiff the flop, you have easy decisions oop. You check. If he bets, you fold, since such a passive station wont bet without a pair, and you wont have the odds to draw.
Most of the time, he will make the mistake of giving you a free card when he could steal.
If you raise PF, and whiff, you wont know where u stand or what to do. Do i c-bet? he will call with anything... But i may have the best hand... But what if i don't? Do i check? But i may be giving him a free card to spike a pair... And the pot is bigger, so tougher to let go of.
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Old 08-22-2008, 05:03 AM #6 (permalink)  
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Whoa! Whoa! Whoa! Hang on. Did you give stats on villain? I didn't see any.

PF, you have the best hand - RAISE! Re-evaluate post, if necessary.

Punish moron for open-limping, simple game.
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Old 08-22-2008, 06:55 AM #7 (permalink)  
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u need stats after seeing the HH???? o_0
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Old 08-22-2008, 01:09 PM #8 (permalink)  
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gotta agree with socal here.

in a 6max game when any lp opponent o/limps, i will hit them with any A. dont you think if he had Ahi beat, HE would have raised?

then, play it fast and hope he thinks youre full of crap.
LHE is a game where your skill keeps you breakeven until you hit your rush of random BS.

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Old 08-22-2008, 02:30 PM #9 (permalink)  
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in a 6max game when any lp opponent o/limps, i will hit them with any A. dont you think if he had Ahi beat, HE would have raised?
villains stats:
vpip 87
PFR 0
AF 0.5

he would never raise preflop! LOL

no, i'm just referring in my explanation to this special kind of fish.
I thought it would be a kind recognisable for all, as they abound at Party's 1/2, but maybe i should've posted the stats right away. Sorry!
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Old 08-22-2008, 02:46 PM #10 (permalink)  
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no prob. but, i still raise him pf. but, i see that he wont raise me with bullets...sucky fishy.

how do you play 87/0 and stay at 1/2 for more than 10 minutes?
LHE is a game where your skill keeps you breakeven until you hit your rush of random BS.

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Old 08-22-2008, 04:02 PM #11 (permalink)  
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how do you play 87/0 and stay at 1/2 for more than 10 minutes?
with his dad's credit card?
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Old 08-22-2008, 04:41 PM #12 (permalink)  
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nice, that made me laugh. thats two good funny's from FTR today.

the first was in the commune in the "democracy thread."

http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...87.html#743130

i love "intelligent humor," and the one i quoted really qualifies. i think it goes over most people's heads.
LHE is a game where your skill keeps you breakeven until you hit your rush of random BS.

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