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andyman3035
Old 11-08-2004, 03:35 AM     Post subject: Whats the right play here? #1 (permalink)  

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$0.5/$1 Hold'em - Sunday, November 07, 20:50:51 EDT 2004
Table Jamming n Session (Real Money)
Seat 2 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 2: burch002 ( $19.75 )
Seat 3: mikervalley ( $27.5 )
Seat 1: andyman3035 ( $19 )
Seat 6: Panoramix123 ( $25.25 )
Seat 5: davehum ( $38.75 )
Seat 9: JLB123 ( $35 )
Seat 4: hobbs2020 ( $19 )
Seat 8: gabeling ( $22.25 )
Seat 10: gofast20 ( $11.75 )
mikervalley posts small blind [$0.25].
hobbs2020 posts big blind [$0.5].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to andyman3035 [ Jc Jd ]
davehum folds.
Panoramix123 folds.
RyAr1 has joined the table.
gabeling folds.
JLB123 folds.
gofast20 calls [$0.5].
andyman3035 raises [$1].
burch002 calls [$1].
mikervalley folds.
hobbs2020 raises [$1].
gofast20 folds.
andyman3035 calls [$0.5].
burch002 calls [$0.5].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 2d, 7d, Kc ]
hobbs2020 bets [$0.5].

So its $.5 to me, whats the play here?
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Old 11-08-2004, 04:39 AM #2 (permalink)  
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There is $5.75 in the pot there. BB REraised PF, so unless you have reason to believe he's very loose/aggressive, he probably has a hand - AK, pocket pair, something.

Your Jacks are probably beat - unless he reraised on Ts or 9s-, and you have no draw.

On the plus side, you are getting about 13:1 on your money, and on a $1 limit table, the other guy will probably call as well. Bad news: you are ~23:1 against to get a 3rd J on the turn. You have the Jd, so you could catch running diamonds (another 20:1)... BUT it's not the nuts.

Fold, unless the guy is a bad/impulsive player
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Old 11-08-2004, 04:50 AM #3 (permalink)  
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Raise unless the pre-flop 3-bet is from a known passive player.

There is a player behind you and no reason to think you're beat just because the 3-better bet out on the flop. A raise gives you information about the player acting after you and you can see if you get 3-bet. If you get 3-bet consider folding a non-jack non-diamond turn. Otherwise, I'm looking to check behind unimproved.
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Old 11-08-2004, 05:43 AM #4 (permalink)  

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Having 20/20 hindsight, i probably should have raised, like you said Fnord, to see where i stood, but i folded it. My thinking was a pre-flop re-raise, and a bet from first position after the flop, he probably flopped trips paried a king, or had a higher pocket pair, which would have made me a huge dog. Unfortunately the guy behind me folded too, so i dont know what the first one had. My friend was watching me play at the time, and gave me a hard time for folding, i just wanted to see what you guys thought about it. Thanks for the imput
PS - sorry i posted in the wrong forum, im an idiot
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Old 11-08-2004, 12:49 PM #5 (permalink)  
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Originally Posted by andyman3035
Having 20/20 hindsight, i probably should have raised, like you said Fnord, to see where i stood, but i folded it.
I would almost read the initial bet from that player to be a probe, perhaps with TT or 99 or even JJ(unlikely), to see where he stood. I too would have raised unless I was certain he held a K.

Fold the turn if it's 3-bet or he bets out again on the turn when you don't improve. Consider a possible bet/raise-bluff on the turn if the player only calls, is tight-weak, and might think you have aces or AK (if he's holding KQ or KJ, and is the type of player that would put you on a hand).
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