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ArcticKnight

05-07-2005, 05:32 PM Post subject: What's the best way to play this hand??

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Hi Folks

Not an uncommon situation below. I'd like some opinions on the best way to approach this HU.

Do you like a post-flop bet from Hero or just a check?

I don't want to let him free draw into a flush, but I'd rather take a Big bet on the turn, than a Small Bet (or nothing) post-flop.

Forget the outcome of the hand below, I'm just thinking of the best way to play it HU.

Party Poker 10/20 Hold'em (6 max, 5 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is BB with 9

, A

.
3 folds, SB completes, Hero raises, SB calls.

Flop: (4 SB) A

, 2

, A

(2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks.

Turn: (2 BB) 7

(2 players)
SB bets, Hero raises, SB folds.

Final Pot: 5 BB

Results in white below: [color:#FFFFFF]
No showdown. Hero wins 5 BB. [/color]

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Fnord

05-07-2005, 05:39 PM

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Bet the flop, otherwise you're too easy to read on AAx boards.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBvge-c2_Xg
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05-07-2005, 05:56 PM

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i bet this every time.

one time i had AA and raised on the button. 2 people call, and the flop comes AAx. i follow up bet anyways, and they fold. i showed, and they were awed by my bet.

i think it's far more important to make it hard for opponents to read you than it is to extract one extra bet from time to time.

if you're gonna check this board, you're gonna have to check half the time and bet half the time, just to keep opponents guessing.

Fnord

05-07-2005, 07:17 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by hypermegachi

i think it's far more important to make it hard for opponents to read you than it is to extract one extra bet from time to time.

Consider that you'll still make money when they call you down with pocket pairs or play back at you as a (semi-)bluff.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBvge-c2_Xg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-Xz8aLuD7Y

ArcticKnight

05-07-2005, 07:49 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by hypermegachi

i bet this every time.

i think it's far more important to make it hard for opponents to read you than it is to extract one extra bet from time to time.

if you're gonna check this board, you're gonna have to check half the time and bet half the time, just to keep opponents guessing.

Thanks Hyper

I know what you are saying, but I was thinking that the slowpaly CR was actually "helping" mix up my play here, thus making it harder for my opponents to get a read on me. I thought that by betting I'm screaming "Straightforward" to the whole table.

I guess I asked the wrong question, as if I was at the same table with the same players, it would probably be wrong to "always" bet here or "always" CR here. It was silly of me to ask this as "what's the correct play here" in a context of absolutes.

When I flop trips (with the pocket pair), sometimes I bet and sometimes I CR, all for the purpose of not be predictable on what I do when I hit a set.

Me bad for asking a silly "always" question.

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05-07-2005, 07:50 PM

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You are the pre-flop aggressor, you're expected to bet this board. By checking you're giving away information. Think about it....

A lot of players are predictably tricky like this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBvge-c2_Xg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-Xz8aLuD7Y

elipsesjeff

05-07-2005, 08:19 PM

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I agree with them, checking behind then raising the turn is a predictable set-type play. More often than not he'll call down with King high if the board pairs. Also, if you are going to raise, wait until the river.

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05-07-2005, 09:38 PM

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if you're gonna do a big street check-raise i think the river is much better than the turn.

ArcticKnight

05-10-2005, 02:40 AM

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Ok .....Fnord, Hyper, Jeff and others I'm listening.....

Party Poker 15/30 Hold'em (4 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is Button with A

, A

.
1 fold, Hero raises, 1 fold, BB calls.

Flop: (4.66 SB) 6

, T

, A

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, BB folds.

Final Pot: 2.83 BB

Results in white below: [color:#FFFFFF]
No showdown. Hero wins 2.83 BB. [/color]

Gone golfing ..see ya in the Fall of 2006
PS. What did the snail on the turtle's back say?
Wheeeeeeeee........

Fnord

05-10-2005, 02:42 AM

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What's your read on the BB?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBvge-c2_Xg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-Xz8aLuD7Y

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05-10-2005, 03:05 AM

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if this 15/30 game plays anything like that shorthanded games i've been in, if they won't call a small flop bet, chances are they wouldn't bluff at you on the turn either.

it's almost always worth calling down because everyone bluffs.

ArcticKnight

05-10-2005, 04:09 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Fnord

What's your read on the BB?

He called the raise, (which he did about 40-50% of the time) so I'm putting him on.......a couple of high cards K9, Q10 or something suited. For 6 handed he overvalued suited cards like K4s, Q7s, etc, even HU. Any pair he would have raised back, because he had before HU with 55.

If he was predictable-tricky and agro, I would have checked to induce a bet....then we could have played "no-I-have the ace" for a bit. I already check raised a set at this table 25 hands prior, so I really wanted him to see my bet as "opposite man" thing, but I guess he didn't catch anything worth playing back.

I know you guys advocate ALWAYS betting this, and I agree if you are fresh to the table, but if have enough hands with the same players in the same session, I think that mixing in a CR is smart. The mean reason is they don't know what to make of my bet OR check-raise later. It can't become predictable tricky unless I make it so.

But, barring those circumstances I am betting out everytime, as you folks correctly suggest.

Gone golfing ..see ya in the Fall of 2006
PS. What did the snail on the turtle's back say?
Wheeeeeeeee........

honsheung

05-12-2005, 04:38 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by hypermegachi

if you're gonna do a big street check-raise i think the river is much better than the turn.

agree , either bet in flp or chk until a river raise.
not a turn raise, i think.

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