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pokerlearner
Old 05-28-2005, 10:18 AM     Post subject: what streets do i lay these down to save bets #1 (permalink)  
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Hand 1:
should i have been worried about the raise on flop so that i dont 3-bet the turn ??
Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is BB with A, K.
2 folds, MP1 calls, 2 folds, CO raises, 1 fold, SB calls, Hero 3-bets, MP1 calls, CO calls, SB calls.

Flop: (12 SB) 3, 5, J (4 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, MP1 calls, CO raises, SB folds, Hero calls, MP1 calls.

Turn: (9 BB) A (3 players)
Hero bets, MP1 raises, CO calls, Hero 3-bets, MP1 caps, CO calls, Hero calls.

River: (21 BB) 6 (3 players)
Hero checks, MP1 bets, CO calls, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 24 BB

Results in white below:
Hero has As Kc (one pair, aces).
MP1 has 5s 5d (three of a kind, fives).
CO has Js 8h (one pair, jacks).
Outcome: MP1 wins 24 BB.
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Hand 2:
I should have 3-bet the flop right ? If it gets capped on flop by SB then he probably has AQ and I am behind so go to check call mode on turn and river ?
Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is CO with A, K.
2 folds, UTG+2 calls, 1 fold, MP2 calls, 1 fold, Hero raises, 1 fold, SB calls, BB calls, UTG+2 calls, MP2 calls.

Flop: (10 SB) A, Q, 8 (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG+2 checks, MP2 folds, Hero bets, SB raises, BB folds, UTG+2 calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (8 BB) T (3 players)
SB checks, UTG+2 bets, Hero raises, SB 3-bets, UTG+2 calls, Hero calls.

River: (17 BB) 2 (3 players)
SB checks, UTG+2 bets, Hero calls, SB calls.

Final Pot: 20 BB

Results in white below:
SB has 8h 8c (three of a kind, eights).
UTG+2 has 9s Jh (straight, queen high).
Hero has As Kd (one pair, aces).
Outcome: UTG+2 wins 20 BB.

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Hand 3:

Didnt want to cap preflop as everyone else was doing the betting anyways. Gotta love the flop. I guess I was overconfident about this hand and hence raised the river. stupid move.


Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is Button with A, Q.
3 folds, MP2 raises, MP3 3-bets, 1 fold, Hero calls, 2 folds, MP2 caps, MP3 calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (13.50 SB) 3, 7, A (3 players)
MP2 bets, MP3 raises, Hero 3-bets, MP2 calls $1.50 (All-In), MP3 calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (12.75 BB) J (3 players, 1 all-in)
MP3 bets, Hero calls.

River: (14.75 BB) 9 (3 players, 1 all-in)
MP3 bets, Hero raises, MP3 3-bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 20.75 BB

Results in white below:
MP2 has 6d Kd (high card, ace).
MP3 has Ac Ad (three of a kind, aces).
Hero has As Qs (one pair, aces).
Outcome: MP3 wins 20.75 BB.
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Hand 4:

Hate the flop as with all the preflop action someone could have a set or 2 pair. but love the turn. no need to bet the river as I already put button on KA by his capping on turn. otherwise we split the pot anyways. Shoudl I have tried to check raise the turn and that way would have saved one bet as it would have ended at 3-bet and not a cap.


Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (8 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is BB with K, K.
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, 3 folds, Button raises, SB calls, Hero 3-bets, UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, Button calls, SB calls.

Flop: (13 SB) J, 9, Q (4 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, UTG+1 raises, Button calls, SB calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (10.50 BB) T (4 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, UTG+1 calls, Button raises, SB folds, Hero 3-bets, UTG+1 folds, Button caps, Hero calls.

River: (19.50 BB) K (2 players)
Hero checks, Button checks.

Final Pot: 19.50 BB

Results in white below:
Hero has Kh Ks (straight, king high).
Button has Kc Ad (straight, ace high).
Outcome: Button wins 19.50 BB.
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Hand 5:

with his cap on the flop Button is telling me that he has a J. Why the fuck did i bet on the turn i dont know. I guess i got carried away wtih my worthless full house.


Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is UTG with K, K.
Hero raises, 5 folds, CO calls, Button calls, 2 folds.

Flop: (7.50 SB) J, J, 8 (3 players)
Hero bets, CO calls, Button raises, Hero 3-bets, CO folds, Button caps, Hero calls.

Turn: (8.25 BB) J (2 players)
Hero bets, Button raises, Hero calls.

River: (12.25 BB) 4 (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 14.25 BB

Results in white below:
Hero has Ks Kh (full house, jacks full of kings).
Button has Jh 8h (four of a kind, jacks).
Outcome: Button wins 14.25 BB.
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Hand 6:

I thought i played it ok


Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (8 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is BB with K, K.
UTG calls, 3 folds, CO calls, 2 folds, Hero raises, UTG calls, CO calls.

Flop: (6.50 SB) J, 9, 7 (3 players)
Hero bets, UTG calls, CO raises, Hero 3-bets, UTG folds, CO caps, Hero calls.

Turn: (7.75 BB) 9 (2 players)
Hero bets, CO raises, Hero calls.

River: (11.75 BB) Q (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 13.75 BB

Results in white below:
Hero has Kd Ks (two pair, kings and nines).
CO has 8s Th (straight, queen high).
Outcome: CO wins 13.75 BB.
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Hand 7:

bet the flop to represent the king ?


Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with Q, Q.
1 fold, Hero raises, 2 folds, MP3 calls, 1 fold, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: (8 SB) K, K, 6 (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks, MP3 checks.

Turn: (4 BB) K (5 players)
SB bets, BB folds, Hero raises, MP3 calls, SB calls.

River: (10 BB) A (4 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, MP3 checks.

Final Pot: 10 BB

Results in white below:
SB has Js Ac (full house, kings full of aces).
Hero has Qd Qc (full house, kings full of queens).
MP3 has Tc Ts (full house, kings full of tens).
CO doesn't show.
Outcome: SB wins 10 BB.

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Hand 8:

Enough suckouts and getting dominated. Now its time for me to GET LUCKY


Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with Q, A.
2 folds, Hero raises, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, CO calls, 3 folds.

Flop: (9.50 SB) J, K, T (4 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets, MP3 calls, CO raises, Hero calls, MP2 calls, MP3 calls.

Turn: (8.75 BB) 5 (4 players)
Hero bets, MP2 calls, MP3 folds, CO raises, Hero 3-bets, MP2 calls, CO caps, Hero calls, MP2 calls.

River: (20.75 BB) 4 (3 players)
Hero bets, MP2 folds, CO raises, Hero 3-bets, CO calls.

Final Pot: 26.75 BB

Results in white below:
Hero has Qd Ad (straight, ace high).
CO has Td Jc (two pair, jacks and tens).
Outcome: Hero wins 26.75 BB.
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Old 05-28-2005, 02:02 PM #2 (permalink)  
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Hand 1: I'd call down after MP1's turn raise, it means something.

Hand 2:

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I should have 3-bet the flop right ? If it gets capped on flop by SB then he probably has AQ and I am behind so go to check call mode on turn and river ?
Yes. Given that you didn't the turn mess seems fine.

Hand 3: Fold preflop, what happened post-flop is the reason.

Why did you raise the river? By then I think it's pretty clear you're beat and if I do raise the river I'm folding to the 3-bet.

Hand 4: Raise the flop you probably have the best hand. I'd probably just call down after Button's turn raise since most of the time you're splitting at best.

I prefer a turn lead over a check/raise since the T might scare UTG+1 away from betting.

Hand 5: I'd probably play it the same, if not more aggressively. The turn bet is fine.

Hand 6: I wouldn't bet the turn, you're not good that often. I'm calling down after the flop cap.

Hand 7: Bet the flop. There are two Kings already out there so it's fairly unlikely another player has one. You have the best hand here often.

I'd probably bet the river but a check is fine.

Hand 8: You should just bet the flop in this situation you don't really have to worry about losing calls. Given the flop action your turn lead is perfect.

Hope this helps.
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Old 05-28-2005, 05:11 PM #3 (permalink)  
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READS READS READS!!!! You NEED reads to make marginal laydowns. Everyone else goes to showdown if it's close, at least that's how I play.

I don't laydown as much as I probably should. I build a lot of pots pre-flop and showdown. It works into the 3/6 level. Also consider, that in games smaller than 2/4, your typical opponent won't get too frisky unless they can beat TPTK.

Hand 1: I would c/r the turn and seriously consider folding to a 3-bet (but call down anyway in the heat of battle, need to work on this...) The problem with the bet 3-bet line is that you'll win the least when you're ahead (he cowers and calls) and lose the most when you're behind (he jamms it)

Hand 2: I would just go ahead and 3-bet that flop to see what he does. The turn raise really sucks with 3 broadway cards on the board as someone will often have 2 pair or a straight.

Hand 3: I sometimes run the same river raise with just a big pair, it's a solid move as many players with 2 pair or even sets won't 3-bet you. You really want a read though.

Hand 4: I like it. Be glad he gave you air with the nuts. Don't EVER do that, the missed bets will cost more than the extra rake when you split.

Hand 5: I might play it the same, I'm not putting him on the case jack until the turn raise, then I call down.

Hand 6: Meh

Hand 7: Bet the bloody flop, you almost always have the best hand here.

Hand 8: Bet your hand on the flop. An aware player will give you less action when you try to get cute like that.
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Old 05-28-2005, 05:58 PM #4 (permalink)  
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Also a thing about asking for people's opinion’s on hands, I think you should leave out the results as it might skew someone's opinion...

Other then that between Phyl and Fnord… they have how to play the hands pretty my much pegged for these…
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