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bencathers

08-08-2005, 08:10 PM Post subject: What is he betting?

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Still new to omaha... I dont understand his bet on the flop... I tried to understand his flop bet... is this a bad beat?

PokerStars Game #2292327080: Tournament #10966749, Omaha Hi/Lo Limit - Level VI (200/400) - 2005/08/08 - 16:02:29 (ET)
Table '10966749 12' Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: audrey92 (5650 in chips)
Seat 2: Napimado (7378 in chips)
Seat 3: IHAVEAWOODY (1089 in chips)
Seat 4: bencathers (3983 in chips)
Seat 5: kingpoop (4507 in chips)
Seat 6: xtqshuners (4624 in chips)
Seat 7: drunkeuchre (7850 in chips)
Seat 8: PkrHslrSis (4428 in chips)
Seat 9: kenru (957 in chips)
kenru: posts small blind 100
audrey92: posts big blind 200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to bencathers [3c Tc Ac 9h]
Napimado: folds
IHAVEAWOODY: folds
bencathers: calls 200
kingpoop: folds
xtqshuners: calls 200
drunkeuchre: calls 200
PkrHslrSis: calls 200
kenru: calls 100
audrey92: checks
*** FLOP *** [6d As Ah]
kenru: bets 200
audrey92: folds
bencathers: raises 200 to 400
xtqshuners: folds
drunkeuchre: folds
PkrHslrSis: folds
kenru: calls 200
*** TURN *** [6d As Ah] [5d]
kenru: bets 357 and is all-in
bencathers: calls 357
*** RIVER *** [6d As Ah 5d] [4h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
kenru: shows [8d 2d 3s Jd] (HI: a straight, Deuce to Six; LO: 5,4,3,2,A)
bencathers: shows [3c Tc Ac 9h] (HI: three of a kind, Aces; LO: 6,5,4,3,A)
kenru collected 1357 from pot
kenru collected 1357 from pot
bencathers said, "wow"
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 2714 | Rake 0
Board [6d As Ah 5d 4h]
Seat 1: audrey92 (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 2: Napimado folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: IHAVEAWOODY folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: bencathers showed [3c Tc Ac 9h] and lost with HI: three of a kind, Aces; LO: 6,5,4,3,A
Seat 5: kingpoop folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: xtqshuners folded on the Flop
Seat 7: drunkeuchre folded on the Flop
Seat 8: PkrHslrSis (button) folded on the Flop
Seat 9: kenru (small blind) showed [8d 2d 3s Jd] and won (2714) with HI: a straight, Deuce to Six; LO: 5,4,3,2,A

bencathers said, "do you just throw up cards and hope for the best?"
bencathers said, "not trying to be mean, i dont understand that call"
kenru said, " i had a lock low"
kenru said, "on the turn"
bencathers said, "right but your flop bet"

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dalecooper

08-08-2005, 09:09 PM

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No. He made a minimum bet with a great draw at half the pot - any 4, 5, 7, or 8 gives him the best possible low, and any 2 or 3 gives him a decent low as well (although not as strong). You min-raised him and he of course called. Even if you'd put him all in there I think he still has to call on pot odds alone. He sucked out on your high and that part was a bad beat, but his play here makes perfect sense.

bencathers

08-08-2005, 11:38 PM

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It was limit high/low, that's why I made the min-raise... I guess what clouded my judgement was I kept thinking there was only one low card... forgot there were two at this point.

I think what got me upset was this was going to become heads up, since no one else called and instead of just splitting, he sucked out and got the straight, doubling up

Lizard_King

08-09-2005, 03:12 AM

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I kind of see it as him taking a shot at picking up the pot right there, with the secondary hope of elimating other low draws from the pot. But probably just a semi-bluff that worked out for him.

dalecooper

08-09-2005, 08:38 PM

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Sorry, missed that it was limit. He probably saw that he had a great draw for half the pot, and that the pot was already bigger than his remaining chips - there was no getting away from it. He made an interesting move betting out with just his draw, but maybe he was looking to juice the pot with a couple callers (should have known better what with the pair of aces out there... only a competing low draw or an ace would call at that point).

Really, what he does after the flop on this hand is immaterial, in a sense. He can't possibly fold the draw he's got with so few chips left. He can check/call, or maybe check/raise somebody else's bet just to get more money in the pot. Or he can bet out and it can go down like this. However he acts, it's probably going to end up the same way with that board.

bencathers

08-09-2005, 08:54 PM

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As soon as the turn card hits, he made the right play... when I'm short stacked in hi/low I make the same play... I just need to stop multi-tabling with different games and forgetting that an ace is low as well

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