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saywhat2
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02-07-2006, 05:12 AM
Post subject: What is a good % of flops to see in a 9 player game.
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Straight
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I would like some feed back on what is a good% of flops to see? I am seeing 21% playing at a 9 player table. Am I to loose, to tight, or is it ok. I just want fixed limit stats?
Thanks
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ihategnomes
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Without being a ninja, your probably running too loose. When first starting at full ring 15-17 is a good range to start at.
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Xanadu
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Depends if that 21% is VPIP or % to see the flop. Depending on how passive your tables tend to be preflop, 21% may be about right, or could be too tight if it is % to see the flop.
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saywhat2
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Straight
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Originally Posted by Xanadu
Depends if that 21% is VPIP or % to see the flop. Depending on how passive your tables tend to be preflop, 21% may be about right, or could be too tight if it is % to see the flop.
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This is the total % of flops I am seeing at all my limit tables.
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Xanadu
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Depends on how tight and how passive your table is. If you are on a loose (40%+ see the flop) and passive (<25% pre flop raises) table, I think you are way too tight. At a loose/passive table, you are probably playing the BB 80% of the time and the SB 40% of the time. This would be 12.5% of the 21% you are seeing the flop, leaving only 8.5% out of the blinds. What are the tables like where you are playing?
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saywhat2
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Straight
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Originally Posted by Xanadu
Depends on how tight and how passive your table is. If you are on a loose (40%+ see the flop) and passive (<25% pre flop raises) table, I think you are way too tight. At a loose/passive table, you are probably playing the BB 80% of the time and the SB 40% of the time. This would be 12.5% of the 21% you are seeing the flop, leaving only 8.5% out of the blinds. What are the tables like where you are playing?
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I really don’t care what type of table I am playing at loose or tight. I am making money I just don’t think I am making enough. I pick the first available table. I play my fixed poker at Absolute and Full Tilt. Interesting I have one response that says I am a little loose and another that says I am way to tight. By way to tight do what do you mean exactly. Should I be seeing 35% of the flops in your opinion or what? I have played about 4000 hands and the poker tracker has me at 21%
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elipsesjeff
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Originally Posted by Xanadu
Depends on how tight and how passive your table is. If you are on a loose (40%+ see the flop) and passive (<25% pre flop raises) table, I think you are way too tight. At a loose/passive table, you are probably playing the BB 80% of the time and the SB 40% of the time. This would be 12.5% of the 21% you are seeing the flop, leaving only 8.5% out of the blinds. What are the tables like where you are playing?
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Originally Posted by elipsesjeff
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Originally Posted by Xanadu
Depends on how tight and how passive your table is. If you are on a loose (40%+ see the flop) and passive (<25% pre flop raises) table, I think you are way too tight. At a loose/passive table, you are probably playing the BB 80% of the time and the SB 40% of the time. This would be 12.5% of the 21% you are seeing the flop, leaving only 8.5% out of the blinds. What are the tables like where you are playing?
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I think you misread it. He is talking about see flop%, not VP$IP. I agree that seeing only 8.5% of your hands outside of the blinds is too tight.
My VP$IP 10 handed is 16-19 and 9 handed about 18-21, with a PFR between 7 and 10.
6 handed I get to about 23-27VP$IP and a 15%PFR.
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Xanadu
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Originally Posted by saywhat2
I really don’t care what type of table I am playing at loose or tight. I am making money I just don’t think I am making enough. I pick the first available table.
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I think this is your problem. You want to make more money, but you don't want to do 2 of the things you have to do to get better results.
1. Table selection
2. Learn to make adjustments based on your opponents' play
There is no definitive answer to the question of how tight to play preflop. The simplest questions in poker tend to always have the same answer: it depends. Everything depends on the information you have. No one here can correctly tell you exactly how tight to be without more information. You haven't even said what stakes you play at.
35% is too high. To give you an answer in a vacuum of information, shoot for something closer to 25% (to see the flop, not VPIP). Having said that, I have played at some micro-limit tables so loose and passive that 35% is a reasonable #.
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roymunson451
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Join Date: Dec 2005
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25% has seemed to be most optimal in my 1/2 full ring games
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