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Old 10-12-2005, 06:33 AM     Post subject: What do you think of these #1 (permalink)  
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1.

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Preflop: Hero is SB with 7, 6. CO posts a blind of $1.
2 folds, MP1 calls, 2 folds, CO (poster) checks, 1 fold, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: (4 SB) A, 9, 6 (4 players)
Hero bets...

2. Mostly concerned with the flop fold. I'm sure several of you would argue to raise or fold preflop.

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Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with J, T.
1 fold, Hero calls, 1 fold, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, 3 folds, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (5 SB) Q, J, 6 (5 players)
SB checks, BB bets, Hero folds...

3. I've been check raised on the flop a LOT. It's especially odd here where there was no preflop aggression. A flop check raise doesn't scare me much, especially when they check the turn. I don't know if I should have bet the turn, but I checked planning to call any river.

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Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with 8, 8.
1 fold, Hero calls, 6 folds, BB checks.

Flop: (2.50 SB) 2, 9, 6 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, BB raises, Hero calls.

Turn: (3.25 BB) 9 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks.

River: (3.25 BB) K (2 players)
BB bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 5.25 BB

4. When it goes to the flop heads up, if the first person checks, the other will bet about 112% of the time. So how do you stop this? bet first! but is this pushing it? I guess you can look at this one as a blind steal, and it works a lot better.

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Preflop: Hero is SB with 5, A.
8 folds, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: (2 SB) 9, 2, 4 (2 players)
Hero bets, BB folds.

Final Pot: 1.50 BB

Results in white below:
No showdown. Hero wins 1.50 BB.

5. button is clearly blind stealing and BB is the biggest wimp at the table. I think this may be pushing it though...

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Preflop: Hero is SB with 7, A.
7 folds, Button raises, Hero calls, BB calls.

Flop: (6 SB) Q, K, T (3 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, Button bets, Hero raises, BB calls, Button folds.

Turn: (5.50 BB) Q (2 players)
Hero bets, BB folds.

Final Pot: 6.50 BB

Results in white below:
No showdown. Hero wins 6.50 BB.



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Preflop: Hero is SB with T, A.
8 folds, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: (2 SB) 8, 7, 4 (2 players)
Hero bets, BB calls.

Turn: (2 BB) 4 (2 players)
Hero bets, BB calls.

River: (4 BB) 9 (2 players)
Hero bets, BB calls.

Final Pot: 6 BB

Results in white below:
Hero has Tc As (flush, ace high).
BB has 6c 5d (straight, nine high).
MP3 doesn't show.
Outcome: Hero wins 6 BB.
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Old 10-12-2005, 06:59 AM #2 (permalink)  
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1) What do you know about MP1? I could go either way here.

2) Ouch, yeah I think you got to fold that too. I'd call if I could close the action.

3) Limping sucks, bet the turn because you have an easy fold to a check/raise and there is a good chance he's drawing.

4) I usually open raise here.

5) I usually 3-bet or fold pre-flop.
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Old 10-12-2005, 09:20 AM #3 (permalink)  
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mp1 from hand 1 is the usual TPP found on UB. Plays the right hands but doesn't bet much. I am actually able to get a lot of flop and turn folds by just betting. Notice though that in most of the hands I at least had some sort of outs, which I think makes a difference. I think UB 1/2 is right at that level where there's not a lot of complete morons, but they're too wimpy to go up against an aggressive opponent.

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3) Limping sucks, bet the turn because you have an easy fold to a check/raise and there is a good chance he's drawing.
Yeah I was scurred...but you're right, if he check raises the turn I can probably dump it right there. When people play silly like this it just confuses me.


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5) I usually 3-bet or fold pre-flop.
Really? this type of hand, or anything when it comes to blind defense?

Thanks for your comments...I'm trying to post more "interesting" hands. You made a comment a while back about people (including me) posting crappy hands. Like...I flopped a straight but someone runner runner'd a flush, I lost a lot, did I play it right?
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Old 10-12-2005, 09:24 AM #4 (permalink)  
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5) I usually 3-bet or fold pre-flop.
Really? this type of hand, or anything when it comes to blind defense?
When the button open raises, you're almost always best off 3-betting or folding unless the big blind is either going to call 2 cold with a wide range or play post-flop so horribly that you want to keep him in.

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I'm trying to post more "interesting" hands. You made a comment a while back about people (including me) posting crappy hands. Like...I flopped a straight but someone runner runner'd a flush, I lost a lot, did I play it right?
Everyone posts hands like that when they start. Then they discover the right questions to ask and start discovering some quality answers.
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Hands 1 and 2 are very similar in that there were no pf raises and hero has flopped a pair, with backdoor flush and straight possibilities.

In hand1 hero bets bottom pair hoping that better hands will fold or he will improve on the turn.
In hand2 hero is faced with a similar type of bet from the BB and he folds.

This seems a little inconsistent. If you are prepared to bet on bottom pair then why not call or raise hand2 ?
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Old 10-12-2005, 04:28 PM #6 (permalink)  
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This seems a little inconsistent. If you are prepared to bet on bottom pair then why not call or raise hand2 ?
hehehe...I guess for the same reason you don't cold call a raise (or 3 bet) with a hand you would normally raise with.

Most people are betting with top pair. In hand 2, I have a bet before me and 2 more players after me, like fnord said, if I could close the action, it might be worth a call, but because of the possibility of a raise after me, I just want to let this go without the queens.
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This seems a little inconsistent. If you are prepared to bet on bottom pair then why not call or raise hand2 ?
Because betting is better than calling? Because these are marginal positions and details are everything when plaing them.

Because in hand 2 he's first to act after a (tight?) bet on a board the likely hit multiple players. I don't think a raise clears the field often enough to justifiy it in this baby pot. Calling exposes us to a raise from behind. Finally, is he really going to want to jam the shit out of the pot if the turn is a Ten?
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Old 10-12-2005, 10:03 PM #8 (permalink)  
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What? Hand 2 is a raise, you have two backdoor draws, middle pair and you could have the best hand.
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