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Hartlin
Old 09-15-2006, 12:49 AM     Post subject: What do you do here? #1 (permalink)  
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3rd hand of the table.. no reads obviously..

Full Tilt Poker Game #1001380000: Table Mt Hood (6 max) - $2/$4 - Limit Hold'em - 20:43:50 ET - 2006/09/14
Seat 2: hartlis1 ($108.50)
Seat 3: Card Dead Ed ($61)
Seat 6: nilo78 ($366)
Card Dead Ed posts the small blind of $1
nilo78 posts the big blind of $2
The button is in seat #2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to hartlis1 [Ad Kc]
hartlis1 raises to $4
Card Dead Ed calls $3
nilo78 raises to $6
hartlis1 raises to $8
Card Dead Ed calls $4
nilo78 calls $2
*** FLOP *** [Jh 9d Qd]
GoDianna sits down
GoDianna adds $35.50
Card Dead Ed checks
nilo78 bets $2
hartlis1 calls $2
Card Dead Ed calls $2
ermullinax sits down
*** TURN *** [Jh 9d Qd] [2d]
Card Dead Ed checks
ermullinax adds $40
nilo78 bets $4
hartlis1 calls $4
Card Dead Ed raises to $8
nilo78 raises to $12
hartlis1 has 15 seconds left to act
hartlis1 calls $8
Card Dead Ed raises to $16
nilo78 calls $4
hartlis1 calls $4
*** RIVER *** [Jh 9d Qd 2d] [Jd]
Card Dead Ed bets $4
nilo78 raises to $8
bluecan1 sits down
hartlis1 has 15 seconds left to act
bluecan1 adds $40
hartlis1 folds
Card Dead Ed calls $4

I figured any diamond but the Jd was a winner for me, look what comes Can I call or do I fold because I think he has a boat? You tell me...
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Old 09-15-2006, 01:09 AM #2 (permalink)  
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no serious reply until you convert your hand.
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Old 09-15-2006, 01:33 AM #3 (permalink)  
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I CAN NOT convert my hand, bison converter (the ONLY converter I know of) is down, so until I get a new converter link from someone, I can't do anything about it
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Old 09-15-2006, 01:39 AM #4 (permalink)  
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Very top link if you search hand converters on google...

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Limit: $2/$4
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Pre-flop: (3 players) hero is Button with A K
hero raises, SB calls, BB 3-bets, hero caps, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: J 9 Q (12SB, 3 players)
SB checks, BB bets, hero calls, SB calls.

Turn: 2 (7.5BB, 3 players)
SB checks, BB bets, hero calls, SB raises, BB 3-bets, hero calls, SB caps, BB calls, hero calls.

River: J (19.5BB, 3 players)
SB bets, BB raises, hero folds, SB calls.

Results:
Final pot: 23.5BB
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Old 09-15-2006, 01:39 AM #5 (permalink)  
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pot's too big to fold
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Old 09-15-2006, 01:20 PM #6 (permalink)  
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Thank you midas for the reply + converter, appreciate it

Want to get more replies and see what people think, I was confused, so I thought it best to fold
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Old 09-15-2006, 01:36 PM #7 (permalink)  
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i don't understand why u would chase here only to lay it down, if u felt u may possibly be counterfeited if the board paired, i lay it down on the turn action?? But at the river i would have to have say the pot is too BIG to lay down, plus with the CAP action on the flop can u really put anyone on the Boat? -QQ is the only hand i really worry about and that is putting them on a really limited range. if someone happens to flip over JJ well, hell NH sir... and move on! *Wow there's lots o' money in Limit Hold-em.....hmmmm??
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Old 09-15-2006, 01:53 PM #8 (permalink)  
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I was drawing with odds, but I didn't think that the Jd was a complete out, as it would pair the board, any other diamond and I'm obviously good..
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Old 09-15-2006, 02:03 PM #9 (permalink)  
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i know u called for odds, but did u really fear the boat?? if u notice, no-one raised the flop.. that would have to lead me to believe no one had a set. if there was that much action pre-flop and someone caught their set on that flop u would've had to RAISE, right?? so i think u were Positively GOOT and this is a river i wouldn't mind sticking around to!!!

P.S- these guys dont CAP - QJ do they???
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Old 09-15-2006, 02:19 PM #10 (permalink)  
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Not sure.. only 3 hands into the table sir

BB could have a set. Noone bet into him on the flop, nor the turn, he was doing the leading all the way.

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Old 09-15-2006, 03:05 PM #11 (permalink)  
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A converter for all major sites can be found though this post:
http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...oker-33231.htm

if there is one that those 2 links can not handle, however you know a link to one that can handle it please post it in the thread, i will add it to the master list, or another mod will do so...

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Old 09-15-2006, 03:27 PM #12 (permalink)  
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The other part people are not realizing is that this is only 3 Handed.

People will cap lots of crap 3 handed.

I actually raise that flop for 2 reasons: 1) it lets me know where I really am against nilo, 2) maybe card dead will actually give up his hand now.

Turn is weird since card dead wakes up for the first time this hand - flopped straight or turned flush look most likely.

I didn't count the bets but it should be pretty straight forward to see if you have the odds to chase your diamond and T outs.

The river is 2 more bets into a ginormous pot - you have to call there. nilo probably has the boat, but there is enough of a chance that he has a hand like JxKd, TxJx, or TxKd (or even a bluff) that you have to call.
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Old 09-15-2006, 04:23 PM #13 (permalink)  
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You have to call the turn bets. You have the odds even in the worse case of only 6 outs where one has the flush and the other has a set. As for the river, if you use the 10% bluffs rule, you have to call. Takes a damned solid read to fold here.
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Old 09-15-2006, 06:44 PM #14 (permalink)  
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Interesting replies. I will reveal results later tonight (if people are interested in seeing hands?)
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Old 09-16-2006, 01:45 AM #15 (permalink)  
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Mmk, SB had K7 diamonds for a turned flush, BB had QJ for the boat, yay for one good fold?

+1 to folding level
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Old 09-24-2006, 02:11 AM #16 (permalink)  
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You only need to have the best hand here. 9 % of the time for this to be a bad fold. I say call. There's no was this is not the best hand 9% of the time.
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