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Old 12-22-2005, 03:35 PM     Post subject: What to do with these small pairs? #1 (permalink)  
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How should I play these small pocket pairs profitable...Guess I should play them, hoping to flop trips? How big a raise should I call?

***** Hand History for Game 3238745719 *****
$0.50/$1 Texas Hold'em - Wednesday, December 21, 13:42:35 EDT 2005
Table Table 65186 (Real Money)
Seat 3 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: sashua ( $24 )
Seat 3: volksen ( $19.75 )
Seat 4: nervoustick2 ( $6.75 )
Seat 5: nord2109 ( $12.51 )
Seat 7: wbrim ( $34.25 )
Seat 8: Dupdidu ( $39.25 )
Seat 9: ubbeubbe ( $35.75 )
Seat 10: acesandates2 ( $54.25 )
Seat 6: Stripclbjnk ( $24.50 )
Seat 2: Tomsk_7 ( $25 )
nervoustick2 posts small blind [$0.25].
nord2109 posts big blind [$0.50].
Tomsk_7 posts big blind [$0.50].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Stripclbjnk [ 8c 8s ]
Stripclbjnk calls [$0.50].
wbrim calls [$0.50].
Dupdidu folds.
ubbeubbe folds.
acesandates2 folds.
sashua folds.
Tomsk_7 checks.
volksen folds.
nervoustick2 folds.
nord2109 checks.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 9h, 3h, 2c ]
nord2109 checks.
Stripclbjnk checks.
wbrim checks.
Tomsk_7 bets [$0.50].
nord2109 calls [$0.50].
Stripclbjnk calls [$0.50].
wbrim calls [$0.50].
** Dealing Turn ** [ Ah ]
nord2109 checks.
Stripclbjnk checks.
wbrim checks.
Tomsk_7 checks.
** Dealing River ** [ 7d ]
nord2109 bets [$1].
Stripclbjnk folds.
wbrim raises [$2].
Tomsk_7 folds.
nord2109 calls [$1].
wbrim shows [ 7h, Th ] a flush, ace high.
nord2109 doesn't show [ Ac, 3d ] two pairs, aces and threes.
wbrim wins $7.75 from the main pot with a flush, ace high.

***** Hand History for Game 3238755730 *****
$0.50/$1 Texas Hold'em - Wednesday, December 21, 13:45:38 EDT 2005
Table Table 65186 (Real Money)
Seat 7 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: sashua ( $24 )
Seat 3: volksen ( $19.75 )
Seat 4: nervoustick2 ( $6.50 )
Seat 5: nord2109 ( $8.01 )
Seat 7: wbrim ( $38.25 )
Seat 8: Dupdidu ( $39.50 )
Seat 9: ubbeubbe ( $29.25 )
Seat 10: acesandates2 ( $54.25 )
Seat 6: Stripclbjnk ( $24.75 )
Seat 2: Tomsk_7 ( $30.50 )
Dupdidu posts small blind [$0.25].
ubbeubbe posts big blind [$0.50].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Stripclbjnk [ 5h 5c ]
acesandates2: nh
acesandates2 folds.
sashua folds.
Tomsk_7 calls [$0.50].
volksen folds.
nervoustick2 folds.
nord2109 folds.
Stripclbjnk calls [$0.50].
wbrim folds.
Dupdidu folds.
ubbeubbe checks.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 6h, 4h, 9c ]
ubbeubbe checks.
Tomsk_7 bets [$0.50].
Stripclbjnk folds.
ubbeubbe folds.
Tomsk_7 does not show cards.
Tomsk_7 wins $2.25
Game #3238759715 starts.

***** Hand History for Game 3238800845 *****
$0.50/$1 Texas Hold'em - Wednesday, December 21, 13:59:11 EDT 2005
Table Table 65186 (Real Money)
Seat 4 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 1: sashua ( $23.25 )
Seat 4: nervoustick2 ( $9.62 )
Seat 7: wbrim ( $37.25 )
Seat 8: Dupdidu ( $36.75 )
Seat 9: ubbeubbe ( $27.25 )
Seat 10: acesandates2 ( $91 )
Seat 6: Stripclbjnk ( $21.50 )
Seat 2: Tomsk_7 ( $38.01 )
Seat 5: BHizzle82 ( $5.75 )
BHizzle82 posts small blind [$0.25].
Stripclbjnk posts big blind [$0.50].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Stripclbjnk [ 6d 6c ]
wbrim folds.
Dupdidu folds.
ubbeubbe raises [$1].
acesandates2 folds.
sashua calls [$1].
Tomsk_7 folds.
nervoustick2 folds.
Mutti40 has joined the table.
BHizzle82 folds.
Stripclbjnk folds.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 6h, Qh, 9s ]
ubbeubbe bets [$0.50].
sashua calls [$0.50].
** Dealing Turn ** [ Ks ]
ubbeubbe bets [$1].
sashua folds.
ubbeubbe does not show cards.
ubbeubbe wins $4.75

***** Hand History for Game 3238824597 *****
$0.50/$1 Texas Hold'em - Wednesday, December 21, 14:06:11 EDT 2005
Table Table 65186 (Real Money)
Seat 4 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: sashua ( $19.25 )
Seat 4: nervoustick2 ( $8.87 )
Seat 7: wbrim ( $38.75 )
Seat 9: ubbeubbe ( $35.25 )
Seat 10: acesandates2 ( $89.75 )
Seat 6: Stripclbjnk ( $24.50 )
Seat 2: Tomsk_7 ( $37.26 )
Seat 3: Mutti40 ( $25.25 )
Seat 8: grnidldy1 ( $21.75 )
Seat 5: bordprice ( $52.25 )
bordprice posts small blind [$0.25].
Stripclbjnk posts big blind [$0.50].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Stripclbjnk [ 5h 5d ]
wbrim folds.
grnidldy1 folds.
ubbeubbe folds.
acesandates2 folds.
Tomsk_7 folds.
Mutti40 folds.
nervoustick2 raises [$1].
bordprice raises [$1.25].
Stripclbjnk folds.
nervoustick2 calls [$0.50].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 7d, Ad, Kd ]
bordprice bets [$0.50].
nervoustick2 calls [$0.50].
** Dealing Turn ** [ Ah ]
bordprice bets [$1].
nervoustick2 calls [$1].
** Dealing River ** [ 6d ]
bordprice bets [$1].
nervoustick2 folds.
bordprice does not show cards.
bordprice wins $7
wbrim has left the table.

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Old 12-22-2005, 04:08 PM #2 (permalink)  
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Old 12-22-2005, 05:52 PM #3 (permalink)  
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Hand 1: I probably would have lost even more money here. You have what was middle pair, so you may as well call that river. After the flush raised and the other guy cold calls, I'm gone. The best way to handle that situation, I think, would be to bet that turn. If someone raises, you're gone, but that ace may not have hit anyone, and you may have the best hand still. Bet it for info.

Hand 2: It's nice that everyone folded there, but you only have third pair. I'd probably check-fold this against a large field. If you really want to stay in, though, try check-raising the flop. It's a cheap way to find out if someone has you beaten. If it gets checked around, bet the turn.

Hand 3: Definitely call on the BB with 66. In fact, call on the BB with any pair. The chance that you might flop a set more than makes up for the 6-to-1 odds you're getting. Plus, things might get wacky and you'll end up with top or middle pair.

Hand 4: See my answer to hand 3. Fives are even yummier than sixes, since you have a better chance of a straight draw. Remember, you can't make a straight without a T or 5.
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Old 12-22-2005, 05:59 PM #4 (permalink)  
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Hand 1: I don't over-call this flop. Reverse-implied odds. Sometimes I will iso-(check)-raise a suspect flop bet here though.
Hand 2: I raise here sometimes pre-flop. Otherwise, standard.
Hand 3: Stupid-easy pre-flop call.
Hand 4: Meh, it's close. If it gets capped pre-flop you'll wish you would have just folded.
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Old 12-22-2005, 06:13 PM #5 (permalink)  

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Hand 4: See my answer to hand 3. Fives are even yummier than sixes, since you have a better chance of a straight draw. Remember, you can't make a straight without a T or 5.
How does that logic work? You need a 5 or 7 on the board to form a str8 w/66, and you need a 4 or 6 for a str8 w/55. I don't believe the odds are any higher for a str8 w/55 vs.66. Anyone have the math on this?? Not to mention the rare times you can run into set vs set, I'll always take the higher set.
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Old 12-22-2005, 06:16 PM #6 (permalink)  
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Hand 4: See my answer to hand 3. Fives are even yummier than sixes, since you have a better chance of a straight draw. Remember, you can't make a straight without a T or 5.
Yea, they both still require 4 other straight cards to hit the boards. So in reality 66 is better than 55.
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Old 12-22-2005, 06:17 PM #7 (permalink)  

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That logic works when playing A5 vs. A6 since the added value of the str8 draw and a 6 kicker is still an x kicker like the 5.
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Old 12-22-2005, 06:27 PM #8 (permalink)  
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Not so much...

Hand 1: 02.5870 % 02.58% 00.00% { A5o }
Hand 2: 28.6181 % 28.52% 00.10% { A6o }
Hand 3: 34.5103 % 33.99% 00.58% { random }
Hand 4: 34.3391 % 33.72% 00.68% { random }


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Hand 1: 42.2989 % 24.18% 18.11% { A5o }
Hand 2: 57.7011 % 39.59% 18.11% { A6o }


So no, A5 is not greater than A6 in any way.
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Old 12-22-2005, 06:32 PM #9 (permalink)  

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Thanks gnomehater, now that I think of it, I read that in SSI but it probably was in NL section and implied odds of a pat hand (wheel) make the A5 somewhat more playable though not recommended with either hand.
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Old 12-22-2005, 09:45 PM #10 (permalink)  
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I'm also probably losing money on medium pocket pairs. I'll pay 1 small bet to try to flop a set, sometimes 2 depending on how many callers. But I'll fold to any bet when I miss the flop containing 1 or more overcards. I used to call a small bet to see the turn, but I have figured out that this is -EV in the long run. Flop a set you jam, miss you scram. (Didn't someone say that a while back? ) Even now, I only play <= TT for set value because more often than not, I'll see an overcard by the river.


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Old 12-22-2005, 10:08 PM #11 (permalink)  
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Me thinks 99 and 88 are too strong to play for set value in a lot of situations.
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Old 12-22-2005, 10:14 PM #12 (permalink)  
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Me thinks 99 and 88 are too strong to play for set value in a lot of situations.
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Old 12-22-2005, 10:44 PM #13 (permalink)  
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99 is good for catching those people that love to just go all in or raise it huge with a small pair.
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1010 is good for catching those people that love to just go all in or raise it huge with 88 or99. lol
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It's limit. I don't need a whole lot to give action to someone who goes all-in.
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Old 12-23-2005, 12:19 AM #16 (permalink)  
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By the sound of it, it seems like WAAAY to many of you are extremely passive postflop.
Field mice are fast, but owls can see in the dark.
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