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sinky

07-08-2008, 09:56 PM Post subject: What book to buy ?

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Have been thinking about getting another poker book. Currently have SSHE, SS2 and HOH1.

I am a consistent winner at 2/4 & 3/6 full ring LHE but struggle at 6 max. Most of my time is spent jumping around between bonuses on crypto, ongame and ipoker networks. I only play about 6K-9K hands per month, but have won ~17K since I started (most of which has been cashed out). Bankroll currently 2.5K

So what should I be looking for ?
Hold'em Poker For Advanced players ?
Winning In Tough Hold'em Games ?
or perhaps something else ?

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Chopper

07-09-2008, 12:16 AM

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winning in tough...is my next read.

HEFAP is prolly good, but a continuation of SSHE for you. it does have a good short-handed section, but its theory based.

another i want to take a look at is..."LHE: winning short-handed strategies" by terry borer

and theres another called "advanced LHE strategy" by barry tanenbaum

all are available on stars for FPPs, but i havent read any of them yet. so, i cant give any a recommendation. those are only the ones i am looking to read next.

LHE is a game where your skill keeps you breakeven until you hit your rush of random BS.

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asdpikas

07-09-2008, 05:34 AM

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definitely
The Theory of Poker, by David Sklansy
+ those mentioned by Chopper

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Jibalob

07-09-2008, 05:25 PM

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HEPFAP is... OK, nothing really groundbreaking and alot of it is just common sense imo. Still worth a read as the theory and concepts are well thought out but I just feel alot of it you could easily work out yourself. I would recomend reading it before any of the more advanced books just to fill in the gaps in your basic strategy.

The tanenbaum book is absolutley jam-packed with completely useless waffle but has some golden nuggets of advice lodged in there.

If you REALLY want to improve your game and have the time to properly study a book instead of just reading it, anything other than "Winning in Tough Holdem Games" by Stox and Zobags is sub-par. (imo of course)

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Chopper

07-09-2008, 05:55 PM

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.. anything other than "Winning in Tough Holdem Games" by Stox and Zobags is sub-par. (imo of course)

why do you say this? can you elaborate a bit?

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Jibalob

07-09-2008, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Jibalob

.. anything other than "Winning in Tough Holdem Games" by Stox and Zobags is sub-par. (imo of course)

why do you say this? can you elaborate a bit?

OK... sub-par was probably a bit over the top, what I should have said was that this book is streets ahead of the rest but still:

First of all, the book is 100% no nonsense. You won't find anything in this book which hasn't been extremely well thought through and analysed. Every word in the book has a point behind it, you won't find any "filler" whatsoever.

The early sections of the book look at very specific preflop situations and then go deep into the math and theory applicable to each before coming to conclusions about the "default" actions one might take in these situations. You are also provided with the emperical data from which the authors have come to their conclusions.

The later sections of the book are about postflop play. Instead the usual sctions you might find in a strat book such as "playing drawing hands", "playing in loose games" or "playing medium pairs" you will find it broken down into different "lines" that can be taken and then the pros/cons of each line in different situations and against different types of opponents. There are also some great sections on adjusting basic strat to the play at the high-midstakes and upwards such as "Why the free card play may have negative expectation in tight-aggressive games", "making thin value bets" and "the turn value check".

The book even goes as far as developing counter-strategies for the plays it recommends!

Overall, the book takes a much more exploitative stance than alot of others I have read, I cant really do it justice in this post but even just browsing through the table of contents here: http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/1880...05#reader-link should give you a good idea of what to expect from this book.

Edit: For an even better idea, compare it to the contents from the tanenbaum book here http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/1904...pt#reader-link

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Chopper

07-09-2008, 10:22 PM

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mucho thanko, jibbo.

i hope to be reading it soon. i have it on snail shipment as we speak. snail ship = waiting for mom to visit brother out of town so they can "complete the transaction." should have it in a week or two.

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Nothing beats flopping quads while dropping a duece!

DrivingDog

07-09-2008, 10:57 PM

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Yeah the Stox book is the nuts, especially for playing out of the blinds, which is something you'll need to get used to in higher limit games against aggressive opponents.

Borer, Mak, and Tannenbaum is good too (can't remember the title). A little more detail on turn and river play than Stox, which I appreciated.

Tannenbaum's solo book is good but a lot of the concepts probably don't become useful until you're playing 10/20 and up.

Sklanksy HEFAP is based on full ring games so doesn't always apply to 6max. It's still a good book though (first one I read!).

"You can fool some of the people all of the time, and those are the ones you want to concentrate on." (George Bush).

Jibalob

07-09-2008, 11:44 PM

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no problemo choppo!

It looks daunting at first with all the tables of emperical data but just ignore them the first time you read it. It will improve your game no-end.

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Chopper

07-10-2008, 02:33 AM

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no problemo choppo!

It looks daunting at first with all the tables of emperical data but just ignore them the first time you read it. It will improve your game no-end.

you are implying i need improvement. bws (baited with sarcasm)

and, DDog, can you share some titles? i am not familiar with those off the top. i am trying to compile a book list, too. thankso, Doggo. -->(since it seemed to catch on)

LHE is a game where your skill keeps you breakeven until you hit your rush of random BS.

Nothing beats flopping quads while dropping a duece!

asdpikas

07-10-2008, 06:43 AM

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Ppl!

-No poker player is such without reading "The theory of poker"

-I'm now dying to read the Stox book!

"could I take out every woman and child in a border town?"
For the right to be governed, waste them without mercy.
When you've decided. Meet me at the airport.

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