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ellisd

02-25-2006, 10:22 PM Post subject: What am I doing wrong?

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After 2000 hands at .5/1 from moving down from 1/2 I've not stopped losing. I thought that moving would give me the little extra BR boost to go back to 1/2. The problem is I don't know what I'm doing wrong. The table is full of people jamming with 72o and Q7o, but I can't pull more than .3/100. I would think 2000 hands would accurate statistics (at .5/1.) I'll come back later and post some histories. But from my experince the next 8000-13000 hands will be more of the same. What are your opinions on this? I've been following Lee Jone's advice verbatim and applied my own thinking, but still no profit. Should I continue to play or stop?

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ArcticKnight

02-25-2006, 10:32 PM

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Post some hands. Not bad beat hands, but hands in which you are not sure whether you played them corretcly. If you use the hand converter, you'll get feedeback that might help.

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thenonsequitur

02-25-2006, 11:18 PM Post subject: Re: What am I doing wrong?

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ellisd

I've been following Lee Jone's advice verbatim and applied my own thinking, but still no profit.

I've never read WLLH so I can't personally speak about it, but I hear from others that while it teaches +EV play, it also teaches a somewhat weak/tight style that limit your profits, and that the advice in SSH teaches a more optimal strategy. And having read SSH I can personally vouch for it. Perhaps you should be following Ed Miller's advice verbatim, instead of Lee Jones's (or at least read SSH if you haven't already).

ellisd

02-26-2006, 01:41 AM

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I've started SSH. It will take me a while to read it and absorb all the material.

Pre-flop: (10 players) Hero is SB with Q

3 folds, MP1 (poster) checks, 4 folds, Hero calls, BB (poster) checks.

Flop: T

(3SB, 3 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, MP1 checks.

Turn: 2

(1.5BB, 3 players)
Hero bets, BB folds, MP1 calls.

River: 8

(3.5BB, 2 players)
Hero bets, MP1 raises, Hero calls.

Results:
Final pot: 7.5BB
MP1 has 3D4D
Hero has QD10D

ellisd

02-26-2006, 01:42 AM

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Pre-flop: (7 players) Hero is BB with J

UTG calls, 4 folds, SB raises, Hero calls, UTG calls.

Flop: 3

(6SB, 3 players)
SB bets, Hero raises, UTG folds, SB 3-bets, Hero calls.

Turn: J

(6BB, 2 players)
SB bets, Hero calls.

River: 8

(8BB, 2 players)
SB bets, Hero raises, SB 3-bets, Hero Caps, SB calls.

Results:
Final pot: 16BB
Hero has JCKC
SB has AS8S

ellisd

02-26-2006, 01:46 AM

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Pre-flop: (10 players) Hero is SB with 9

UTG, folds, UTG+1 (poster) checks, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls, MP2 folds, MP3 calls, CO (poster) checks, Button folds, Hero calls, BB (poster) checks.

Flop: 9

(7SB, 7 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG+1 checks, UTG+2 checks, MP1 bets, MP3 folds, CO calls, Hero raises, 3 folds, MP1 3-bets, CO calls, Hero calls.

Turn: A

(8BB, 3 players)
Hero checks, MP1 bets, CO calls, Hero calls.

River: K

(11BB, 3 players)
Hero checks, MP1 bets, CO calls, Hero calls.

Results:
Final pot: 14BB
MP1 has 3D5C
CO has JC9D
Hero has 9SKD

ellisd

02-26-2006, 01:49 AM

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Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is MP3 with K

UTG calls, 3 folds, Hero calls, CO raises, 2 folds, BB calls, UTG calls, Hero calls.

Flop: A

(8.5SB, 4 players)
BB checks, UTG folds, Hero bets, CO raises, BB calls, Hero 3-bets, CO calls, BB calls.

Turn: Q

(8.75BB, 3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, CO calls, BB raises, Hero calls, CO calls.

River: 9

(14.75BB, 3 players)
BB bets, Hero calls, CO calls.

Results:
Final pot: 17.75BB
BB has 3SJC
Hero has KS10S
CO has ACQH

ellisd

02-26-2006, 01:58 AM

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I feel like one has to be extra patient in LL since all the hands are going to the showdown anyway.
By the way, it should be said I am a consistent winnter at Poker Academy's low limit and standard tables.

My stats:

.5/1
---------------
Aggresion Factor - 2.77
Hands - 2042
VP$IP % - 13.6%
PFR % - 7.2%
Flop % - 18.8%
W$SF % - 32.0%
SD % - 5.7%
W$SD % - 51.3%
Net - $6.10
BB/100 - 0.30/100

bencathers

02-26-2006, 07:02 AM

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Hand 1: Bet the flop and turn. Bet/call river. Read dependent. Is this person capable of slowplaying tp? I like the pre-flop limp

Hand 2: I play it exactly. Well played. If he has AA or a smaller boat, oh well. I'm a fan

Hand 3: I lead the flop, check/call turn, lead/cap the river

Hand 4: I don't mind the turn cap, the river is ehhhhh. I don't know.
Looking at results: WOW bb sucks at life. Please find him and buddy list.

good luck!

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Dealer: Tbags has two pair, Kings and Jacks
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ellisd

02-27-2006, 08:44 PM

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Pre-flop: (8 players) Hero is UTG+1 with A

UTG raises, Hero 3-bets, 6 folds, UTG calls.

Flop: Q

(7.5SB, 2 players)
UTG bets, Hero calls.

Turn: 2

(4.75BB, 2 players)
UTG bets, Hero raises, UTG 3-bets, Hero Caps, UTG calls.

River: K

(12.75BB, 2 players)
UTG bets, Hero calls.

Results:
Final pot: 14.75BB
UTG has QDKS
Hero has ASQH

Villian is a donk.

ellisd

02-27-2006, 08:47 PM

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Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is CO with Q

2 folds, MP1 calls, 2 folds, Hero raises, Button folds, SB calls, BB calls, MP1 calls.

Flop: 3

(8SB, 4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, MP1 bets, Hero raises, SB folds, BB 3-bets, MP1 calls, Hero Caps, BB calls, MP1 calls.

Turn: 7

(10BB, 3 players)
BB bets, MP1 folds, Hero calls.

River: 6

(12BB, 2 players)
BB bets, Hero calls.

Results:
Final pot: 14BB
BB has ACKC
Hero has QCKD

elipsesjeff

02-27-2006, 08:50 PM

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looks like bad beats to me

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ellisd

02-27-2006, 08:54 PM

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Pre-flop: (10 players) Hero is SB with Q

UTG calls, 3 folds, MP2 calls, 3 folds, Hero calls, BB checks.

Flop: A

(4SB, 4 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG checks, MP2 checks.

Turn: J

(2BB, 4 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG checks, MP2 bets, Hero raises, BB folds, UTG calls, MP2 folds.

River: 3

(7BB, 2 players)
Hero bets, UTG folds.
Uncalled bets: 1BB returned to Hero.

Results:
Final pot: 7BB

ellisd

02-27-2006, 08:58 PM

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It goes on every other hand like Hand number 1 and 2. I am managing 1.00/100 now at 3,000 hands.

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