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urobolus
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03-08-2006, 03:44 PM
Post subject: website for spread-limit?
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I've come to understand the applying low-limit hold'em poker strategy to the game I play with my friends--which is spread limit, 1-50 cents every round--isn't exactly working, and I'm thinking perhaps it's not a bad beat after all, it's just that I've been studying the wrong tactics.
I ordered the book "Spread-limit Hold'em" by someone-or-other (it was the only book on the subject, and I 'looked inside' on Amazon and liked what I saw), but it'll take a few days to get here.
In the meantime, anyone have any websites that focus specifically on general strategies f/spread-limit? (also, is there a spread-limit FTR forum?)
Also, for those of you who have played it, a book I'm reading that mentions some strategies (but doesn't go in depth) says that in mid- to late- position I can play just about anything that will give me a monster w/the right flop, if I can get in cheap.
It also says to bet the max on the flop if I've got a good hand, even if it's just top pair (while gauging, of course, the texture of the flop and my opponents' attitudes). Is this a good idea.
I indeed have been barking up the wrong tree (and complaining about my petty losses), I realize, for the past five months, so excuse me while I go and 
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thenonsequitur
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03-08-2006, 04:51 PM
Post subject: Re: website for spread-limit?
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Full House
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I think NL strategy is probably more comparable to spread-limit with a wide spread than FL strategy.
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urobolus
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In that case, what should be my plan of action on the flop if I know people are drawing and I have top pair?
Does betting the max or near the max (40 cents here) make a call a bad idea by the other player (and a good idea by me), in terms of pot odds? I read an article online about it, but it just said 'bet out' w/top pair, and I don't know exactly what he's talking about.
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thenonsequitur
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If you have top pair and you know your opponent is drawing, bet large enough that you give your opponent bad odds to call but small enough that he might call anyway (because when your opponents make mistakes, you profit). If you can't do this because this bet would be larger than the high end of the spread, then just bet the max. Your opponent may be correct to call but it is still a value bet.
Then again, it's hard to "know" your opponent is drawing. So simply betting either about the size of the pot or the max (whichever is smaller) is probably a good idea when you have top pair.
I am speaking from NO experience playing spread limit, so don't put too much faith in my advice.
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DaNutsInYoEye
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Spread Limit Hold'em by Ed Conly. I have the book and think your money would've been much better spent on other books. All of the information on things such as pot odds and position can be found in other texts and in much more detail. Also, the way he categorizes starting hands is confusing in my opinion. If you read books like Theory of Poker and Small Stakes Hold'em and understand them, then you should have no problem applying the concepts to a spread limit game.
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TheXianti: (Triptanes) why are you not a thinking person?
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euphoricism
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I've never played in a spread limit game, someone wanna explain?
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urobolus
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In Spread limit, there are blinds just like in regular Hold'em, usually $1 small, $2 big. Then for each round there is a minimum that you must bet if you bet at all, but you can raise however much you want between that minimum bet and the maximum.
For example, let's say you're in a $2-$10 game (rarer nowadays); you must bet a minimum of $2 each round but can raise any amount up to $10. Usually games nowadays are played with smaller bet caps on each round--for example, $1-$4-$4-$8 (you can raise by $1 max first round, $4 max on the flop, $4 max on the turn, $8 max on the river; re-raising is possible).
The way I play, the interval's huge; you must bet a minimum of five cents, but you can raise any amount up to fifty cents. From the little section I read in the book I have (Lee Jones' "Winning at Low-Limit Hold'em"--still haven't gotten around to SSH) big intervals can really be exploited if your opponents are inexperienced, but I'd like some less vague guidelines.
And it's too bad that the book is not very good...I already know my way around pot odds and position to an extent, I just need some help in overall winning strategy in a spread-limit game, since it's not the same as either low-limit or no-limit
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a lot of material on PLHE would probably apply to spread limit...
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DaNutsInYoEye
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by |~|ypermegachi
a lot of material on PLHE would probably apply to spread limit...
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No... the material on LHE is actually a lot more applicable.
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TheXianti: (Triptanes) why are you not a thinking person?
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urobolus
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One question, though:
How do you guys compute pot odds on the fly? I can do it for drawing hands sometimes--I'm a 4.1:1 underdog to make my flush by the river if I flop a flush draw (four to a flush, that is), so if there's 50 in the pot and someone bets 40, I'm getting about 2:1 pot odds--but what about for top pair?
What are the odds I win the hand if I have top pair? If I were to bet forty after having gotten top pair on the flop to make the pot 90, would I be giving my opponents bad pot odds (or, at least be decloaking those who have something) or marginal/decent pot odds?
I guess I need a list of odds to memorize...
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Pelion
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Originally Posted by urobolus
What are the odds I win the hand if I have top pair?
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Depends what hands(s) you are up against. The odds are easy to caluclate for flushes and straights by assuming you will win the pot if you make your hand (and maybe taking a little off for redraws).
If you are trying to work out the odds of winning with TP, you need to know what you are up against.
Flush draw?
Flush draw with overcards?
Gutshot straight?
Backdoor straight draw with overcards? etc. etc. etc.
You can get a feel for it by reading your opponents betting patterns but its nowhere near as simple as drawing to the nut flush where you know what cards will win you the pot and what cards will lose.
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