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LeFou
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05-26-2005, 02:38 PM
Post subject: Weak suited hands in midstakes LHE
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4-of-a-Kind
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SSH really touts the value of being suited, but I can't bring myself to get too excited. Maybe 'cause
-flushes are obvious onboard
-everyone here at FTR jokes about the donks who play anything s00ted etc.
However, shorthanded you do need to add some of this stuff, and I wonder how much. Played a bit with someone who took it too far, I think, but she got $50 off me, so maybe she's on to something... she would go along in with e.g. Q7s, T6s, even 83s
...sometimes for raises, reraises, PF ... hands I wouldn't give the time of day, Probably she's just a fish whose comeuppance will have to come at someone else's hands. But she said something like "NuWere, if you knew anything about poker, you'd know it's a good idea to play suited hands blah blah blah" and I thought "hm. do I know anything about poker?" She hurt my feelings you see. 
Questions for discussion:
-at 2/4 and 3/6, esp. at certain sites, 3-way action is about as multiway as it gets in a 6max. If that's what it looks like, should one juice this stuff a little bit PF? Any hand worth playing is supposed to be worth raising at 6max, but these are so barely-playable that I don't know...
-I don't like any gaps at all, but when I need to play some hands I will allow stuff like 86s in my repertoire -- usually no lower. What do you think?
-If the action looks right, I'll give a lot of these a limp. But I always seem to lose my bearings when there is PF aggression. e.g. J8s I see if I can limp MP, but there's a raise behind and BB calls it. Ick.
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Fnord
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{ moved to LHE from the NL Shorthanded forum }
The question is pretty broad and I could easily burn 15-30min doing it justice. Maybe someone else can chime in first?
What I will say is that short-handed high card value is much more imporant and domination is less of a problem. K9o is a much better short-handed hand than 98s.
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stuck
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Having played far more 6-max limit than full-table limit (Fnord, which has the potential to be more profitable?) I would agree with what Fnord said about high-cards being more important than just suited. Suited, however, does add value.
In 6-max, in general, you really want to open-raise to limit the field or raise behind to gain position, and that generally means you want high cards (or med-high pairs). I will, however, slightly lower my raising requirements if suited (by only a rank or so, however). I really would only consider raising KXs 98s, etc if folded to you on the button (or possibly CO, depending) and that has more to do with blind steals/defence than the cards necessarily being suited. If folded to me on the button, there are a wide range of hands I would raise with, suited or no.
QXs in EP or MP == trash, just as in full ring (though in LP it can have Blind war potential). 83s is trash no matter what position you play it from.
I could go on for awhile, but I think this generally answers your question. Consider limping LP with things like 56s, T8s, don't raise, and certainly don't limp or raise in EP, unless the table is tight and you'll get folding equity from it or somesuch. You know the drill.
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TylerK
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Do you have a copy of SSHE?
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TylerK: its just gambling if i want to worry about money i'll go to work lol
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Element187
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i'd think suited cards go up in value with more people seeing the flop .. on average more people see the flop in a 10 max game then 6 ... also more money going into the pot with 10 players ... why do people play 6max ?
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LeFou
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Originally Posted by Element187
why do people play 6max ?
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I've been playing 6max mostly b/c there aren't many full rings available at pokerchamps. I understand it can be a very profitable game, if you can figure out how to play stuff like king high for value.
To answer Tyler's question, yes I have SSHE. I didn't see where he said much about shorthanded games; what little strat I have here comes from hyper's guide. The kinds of cards stuck talks about are what I've been using; I won't worry unless I lose steadily...
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TylerK
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Sorry, I'm retarded...I didn't see the first words of your post where you said "SSH talks about..." (Either that or I forgot by the time I got to the end of your post.)
Anyway. I think that SSH provides enough discussion of the value of suitedness to see why it is less valuable by itself in a shorthanded or a tight game.
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TylerK: its just gambling if i want to worry about money i'll go to work lol
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